NRG sign numlocked and clockwork for Pookz and Gods

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YES!
interesting move on numlocked tho, weird that they would get numlocked on support.

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what the fuckkkkkkk this roster is lit

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Did not see that one coming personally, should be interesting! Really interested to see them in Korea, even if they haven't had time to practise much yet

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Clockwork is like Dummy's best friend and a former TF2er, so it's not much of a surprise. Numlocked is more surprising.

I still think they missed out not picking up Ryb.

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:) warms my heart to see cw on a strong team within overwatch after investing so much time in tf2. i'll definitely be rooting for NRG now although i think it's a shame to see gods go, he was a great personality on stream

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Yeah I had gotten fonder of Gods over the past few months.

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Same here... He is performing so well at the World Cup for Team USA too. Sad to see them both go.

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Superteam!

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tf2 dream team, i cri

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Anybody know if Gods and/or Pooks has commented on this? I feel bad for them, though I understand the motivations behind NRG's move.

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NRG is by far the team i'm rooting for most now. TF2 players need more than pride and peanuts :P

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Numlocked's rein was so sick rip FeelsBadMan

Hyped for tf2 players continuing to make it big tho FeelsAmazingMan

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I physically cheered I'm so hyped.

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TF2 Meta?

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Atleast they got a guy who can consistantly play tracer so NRG doesn't have to flex enigma off them, but could still see them doing that when they want a mcree also

edit: the official NRG statement mentions Gods/Poox deciding to step down

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Not really. "As a result of these additions, Daniel "Gods" Graeser and Mark "Pookz" Rendon have decided to step down from playing competitively for NRG"

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Clockwork is a top pick, he's solid. Numlocked is another story, not sure how his support play will pan out.

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numlocked has years of experience calling and winning in TF2, playing a hero like Lucio that literally speeds your team to initiate on your calls seems like it could be a good match

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I think it's a good match too, but hasn't he been playing tank more recently? I seem to remember him playing Rein, and I'm not too sure how the switch up will affect him. A good support player makes calls, sure, but there's more to it than just calling and with his limited support play experience, I don't know if he'll be the complete package that a great support can be.

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Hopefully NRG can dig out of the tier 2 NA trench now. The Esper > Dummy change was honestly pointless and stupid. They perform exactly the same as they had before. I honestly think this change is good though. Edit* Aww man it looks like I hurt one of your feelings, NRG fangays. I'm just being honest. NRG is tier 2 at best. I'd put them just above Splyce, Selfless, Tempo Storm and Faze right now. They honestly shouldn't have even been invited to the Korean tournament. P.S. Seagull is not the best genji in the world, infact he's not even top 3. Cry more fangays

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"Fangays"? Really?

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Well, my initial post had nothing to do with NRG fangays. But they came and made their presence known, so I'm just calling it as I see it.

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Seems like you have lots of attitude issues if you are actually saying that NRG didnt deserve spot in Korean tourney

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Cause they don't. It's true. There are plenty of other teams that deserve to be there

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Name few teams that deserved spot in that tournament then :P

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NIP, Faze, Fnatic, Complexity, Liquid just to name a few. For troll value, I'd rather have Oink Oink Here Comes the Boink there

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Oink Oink has been dead for like 3 months lol

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3 months after disbanding we still got fans THANK YOU CHODEZ i really appreciate it

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You mean that you received a couple of downvotes and reacted with slurs. Got it.

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Ok dickrider

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I'm mostly disturbed that you think FaZe are tier 2 or lower :D

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This, but well. Every forum has to have atleast 1-5 anal yst desk mans that know stuff

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Sorry you're right, Faze is a lot better than NRG. Made a mistake there in a flurry of rage.

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Haven't watched FaZe since Mendo stopped playing for them. Are they still pretty good?

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They are high tier 2 i would say. They are bit fucked atm becouse meta (triple tank).

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top 5 NA = tier 2
:thinking:

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Well Faze are 2-3 USA team atm(considering Fnatic's problems). As soon as the DPS half of the team won't have to play from EU (including SB from russia) they will probably contend for the 1 place.

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Faze getting a team house in NA? have i been missing out on some news?

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Faze will get Team House i guess in next 3-4months. Not sure does 2easy wanna go there since he has ''wife''

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WOAAA so glad for numlocked

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GG. NRG now top team finally after losing dead weights.

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chodez the BabyRage emote irl

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"chodez"

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Most discussion i've ever seen on this site and its due to a troll/someone who can't effectively communicate.

When's the next time this team will play? I really wanna watch it.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they played in the next GosuGamers weekly.

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Next match for them will be in APEX not GosuGamers weekly.

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I stand corrected, thanks. This is why I should have consulted Liquipedia first x.x

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This gonna be good.

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Really enjoyed watching Gods play while he was with NRG. Wonder where he will go :thinking:

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maybe fnatic? OpieOP

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This site has second pages? PogChamp
idc about NRG, but I like clockwork, probably a good move.

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gods going to fnatic to replace iddqd would be a downgrade

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arguably any mccree player would be a downgrade. iddqd wasn't removed because of his skill

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Fnatic is looking for a projectile player anyways, especially a Genji. Gods is pretty much out of the question for them, they don't need a hitscan player

lets get to the third page 60 posts boys

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Isn't buds a good projectile player? I mean who in the current fnatic roster can replace iddqd's mccree anyway?

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Idk, Buds going for hitscan i guess. They are looking mainly Genji player.

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this guys name is chodez lmao

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hi guys i'm twelve years old, is this where i troll people?

xD

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The real question is will we ever see the elusive 3rd page.

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...only Chodez can take us there

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dunno what i should think of this game.
gods was a god player (atleast in the last matches i saw him play). dont know if he was the problem or just the team composition itself.
but i'm happy for numblocked that he got a good team again. never thought of him joining NRG but i like it.
But also bout clockwork i dunno. Never saw him play.

Im cheering for NRG now at their next tournament.

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im kinda worried about pookz getting out of the team tho.
he was an amazing lucio, and i've never seen numlocked playing support before

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56th comment, oh boi, 3rd page is coming soon

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SEB
https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/67326/2.0
BARTON

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한국의 군주는 여기에 있습니다

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wrong thread my man

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i'm surprised but at the same time, these moves make a lot of sense.

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Forget chodez, but honestly nrg have been tier 2 NA so far. They have been behind envy/c9/fnatic, which is who i'd say are NA tier 1. Perhaps they can take c9's spot if c9's roster changes don't work out. If not for seagull's popularity, it was probably fnatic's spot in asian trouneys due to their performance. Anyway, i hope nrg takes a step forward, even if i always thought gods was pretty good on dps. NRG are my favorite team to root for.

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Honestly, i think numlocked will do great on lucio. He has the mechanical skill and game knowledge to play at this level. His main calls should be what takes NRG to the next level too, we might finally see them challenge for some titles

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Gotta be awkward on that World Cup team for gods and seagull now

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This post is just...hmmm beautiful. It's truly a masterpiece.

Hopefully NRG can dig out of the tier 2 NA trench now. The Esper > Dummy change was honestly pointless and stupid. They perform exactly the same as they had before. I honestly think this change is good though.

Ok, ok, unpopular opinion. I get it, I get it. I don't know how people compare players when Esper played during the pharah-mercy meta and Dummy played starting the Zen+Discord meta, but it's cool and heey! you tried a nice save on that last sentence. Nice, nice. I like it!!

Edit* Aww man it looks like I hurt one of your feelings, NRG fangays.

Ohh boy, it seems a button was pushed....oopps

I'm just being honest. NRG is tier 2 at best. I'd put them just above Splyce, Selfless, Tempo Storm and Faze right now.

Ok, now we entered the: "you don't like my opinion? fuck you then, you suck, they suck, I don't even care, you guys suck." zone.

They honestly shouldn't have even been invited to the Korean tournament.

More words and more "truths" being told. I like it, I like it. Full rage mode at this point. Nice, nice.

P.S. Seagull is not the best genji in the world, infact he's not even top 3. Cry more fangays

I love the use of the P.S.!!! I wonder if you stop for a moment to see if there was anything else to: "end this roast" Finally a farewell using the word "fangays" again. Like saying: "yeaaaa, I got them!" I loved it!

Beautiful.

Anyways. I'm sad to see Gods and Pookz go. Wasn't expecting this, especially since they are in the middle of a tournament. Hope everything turns good for all.
Edit: Also I thought they were doing ok even after losing against Lunatic Hai. I mean, both Rogue and NRG had been constantly in scrims with Korean Teams which maybe it's not invaluable experience, but it's a nice advantage at this point.

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I love clockwork.

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The prophesy was true! KEITH SMERBECK returns D:

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holy crap, fantastic tf2 roster

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BIG

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My favorite color is

memes

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Aren't you supposed to be modding a channel right now?

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Seb sideshowChamp
Barton sideshowChamp

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I haven't bothered to appear public that much, but considering that people still highlight numlocked. I wanted to say this.
The dignitas guys had been mumbling about kicking numlocked since August, frankily speaking. I've known that this move would be facts ever since they crashed at Gamescom and did the same at E-league.
NRG now made a mistake by picking up a player calling from a Reinhardt, which is the main reason why they sacked numlocked from roster. They were lacking calls, there was no communication established as he's the tank.

I can only seek out to tell dummy that this move will pay its price. I can only approve the acquisition of clockwork, a great player with great mindset!

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He's playing lucio on NRG now though, I would imagine that this change would help with his calls + comms?

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You'll have to explain more because at the moment the reasoning makes no sense. Why would they cut their caller from tank because he wasn't calling well enough from tank? That leaves them with no caller, and even less communication as whoever they bring in will be calling less. Even if you want to cut someone so that you get a calling Lucio, there has to be a reason beyond communication why you'd remove the tank over the Lucio or indeed any other role.

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You pretty much explained it well in the end of your text:
"Even if you want to cut someone so that you get a calling Lucio, there has to be a reason beyond communication why you'd remove the tank over the Lucio or indeed any other "

This is the exact reason as to why he was left behind, they needed a primary caller. Calling from Reinhardt is a difficult perspective, and its very dualoriented as the Reinhardt is often occupied. In other professional teams, e.g. REUNITED/others, the shotcaller is often the support player in the team playing Lucio as main support!

They needed somebody that is able to take decisions, and as the Reinhardt often is occupied, the communication becomes less fluid. Including some performance problems, losing groupstage matches and leaving the event early is also one of the primary reason they needed a change, with replacing artier and numlocked.

Sorry if it seemed "personal" that I made this post because it had to do with numlocked, because I can assure that it wasn't.

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You've completely missed the point of my post. Let's take it slowly.

Your premise is that they are lacking calls, as their only caller is on tank where he is unable to call well.
They decide they need a calling Lucio, so they need to cut someone to pick one up.

Rather than just cut art1er and move roles around, or indeed cut anyone else on the roster (leading to an overall increase in comms) they chose to cut their former caller. They could have kept a caller on tank AND lucio if the comms were the only problem.

Why remove the tank, who was calling, rather than any other quiet player to make room? If comms were the only reason to make the move, as you say, then this premise makes no sense and would be detrimental. There were clearly reasons outside of "not enough calling from seb" to make the switch.

Even ignoring this entire problem, your argument so far is that his calling was hampered by his position on tank - so why would it be a bad move to pick him up as a caller on Lucio?

...And time will tell whether picking a calling Reinhardt is good or bad.

He's not gonna be calling from Reinhardt! If you think his calls were bad that's another thing entirely, but so far you've said nothing worthwhile about the actual acquisition because your entire premise is based on him playing tank and lacking quantity rather than quality of calls.

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Here's the case Sideshow, they had numlocked on the leader position as the stratcaller/ingame-leader. He was a Reinhardt main, his strats was called from a Reinhardt perspective. Making key decisions from a Reinhardt perspective is difficult already.

Art1er was cut eventually after his limited heropool, which made it problematic for the rest. They realized that numlocked and artier had problems with their respective role.

"There were clearly reasons outside of "not enough calling from seb" to make the switch."
Here's the thing, Seb was calling, but from a limited perspective than a shotcalling Lucio. He wasn't a Lucio main in Dignitas. Get it?

And this is not my argument, this is the argument of the Dignitas team in their statement. They lacked synergy in the decisive moment because of his perspective. It derailed already when Admirable said things like I had something to do with numlocked being kicked out of the squad. Which I do not have at all. I assume that Admirable just said things to heat up the moment, probably because he assumed or thought that I was personal in my post about the reason behind numlocked not in dignitas.

"Why remove the tank, who was calling, rather than any other quiet player to make room?"
See here's the thing, numlocked is supposed to talk most and direct the most. But he wasn't directing in a way that appealed to the team. You get it now? It's hard enough to call from a Reinhardt perspective, imagine if you call to players with obvious language barriers and more? The team wasn't communicating at key moments they needed to communicate the most. I mean you can ask numlocked yourself and see what the answer is.

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Hey thanks for reminding me!

Didn't you message me on Battle.net when numlocked was removed from Dignitas to tell me that you had repeatedly encouraged Bromas / Dignitas to kick him?

Are you still so upset that numlocked ridiculed you on the Discord back in July? :D

Why are you here making disparaging remarks like a bitter ex-lover? You claim to have had a hand in his removal and now try to drag him down when he has moved on? Do you have some personal vendetta? Grow up mate!

As for whether Dignitas are the better judges in this case, I won't speculate because I've heard wildly varying accounts, I don't know all the details and I am biased toward numlocked anyway.

So let's set a reminder in our calendars for 3 months, 6 months and 12 months from now and revisit which team and which players have prospered. Anything else is just hot air.

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you go girl

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You interpreted the post wrong mate, I just mentioned that they got rid of him and had planned to in the past but couldn't? I think you went a bit outside of what I wrote. Nobody ever covered why dignitas let numlocked go, I went on to break the ice and explain that they lacked a caller.

Nothing personal against numlocked or anything in that regard, just wanted to let the word out. I did approve the acqusition of clockwork, which is a player that has received more hate than deserved. And time will tell whether picking a calling Reinhardt is good or bad. I haven't said anything negative about numlocked in my previous post, so forgive me if the context looks ugly.

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You are right I don't know what motivates you, but your original post painted such an incomplete picture of dignitas problems that I had to assume you were actively trying to slander numlocked.

As far as I can ascertain the reason numlocked was removed was because BromaS turned everyone against him and made it an issue.

I've seen a clip of their comms where numlocked is the only calm person making calls, everyone else is basically silent apart from BromaS who is getting worked up, contradicting the calls and calling him a liar when numlocked challenges him. Environment seemed toxic af.

Sure this anecdote is just a small glimpse in to months play time together, but I find it difficult to stomach when the general theme of your original post was that numlocked was the problem. Dignitas fragging potential has been underwhelming since Gamescom. They actually didn't perform terribly at ELEAGUE with art1er demoted to support, but they were simply outclassed.

numlocked's chances of becoming an elite support caller are about as good as his fellow legendary TF2 champions KnOxXx and Zebbosai - currently the top two in the world. It's only a matter of time.

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I'm sure to say that we do not share the view of what we perceive as problem. I don't deny that there're might be issues internally in the team given all its problematic. But I've to put it the way I perceive it, and that way is that the players lacked abilities and was ultimately forced to leave. And that the leader had not enough leadership abilities to turn the mess that was built up after E-league, is how I perceive things.

While you say that bromas caused issues internally with his mood and madness, I do not share that view. And I'm sure that numlocked will do well, but he didn't do as expected of him in dignitas. They really underperformed at ESL Gamescom and E-league, and as the primary leader - it is your primary obligation to set the team on the right track with changes and everything that comes with it.

And to tell me that I paint such an incomplete picture is your view in your entirity and may not be shared with others. May be people external to the team and does not know details about the team state / internals.

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So let's set a reminder in our calendars for 3 months, 6 months and 12 months from now and revisit which team and which players have prospered. Anything else is just hot air.

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Did I miss something? :>

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Good lord gentlemen, we have made it to the 3rd page and then some. 4th page inc?

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I'm here to help you guys get to page 4. Otherwise, the drama seems solid.

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a new all-tf2 team with clockwork and seagull, drama on over.gg, how can this get any better? usa usa usa

PogChamp

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who da fook is lirreboss?

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Nice pic tagg

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insert witty comment here

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page 4

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Came for the scores, stayed for the comments.

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I as well had a large say in getting numlocked kicked from dig

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feels like tf.tv in here...

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I think these changes are for the better. Whether it's enough though, remains to be seen.

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i heard rumours about a 5th page...?

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There is only one brave man that can take us there...

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Congrats to clockwork and numlocked. Hoped guys like this would succeed in overwatch after watching them in tf2 for so long. I'm a little confused about removing gods since I haven't seen clockwork's play be overwhelmingly better enough to make this change. I wonder if t has more to do with what balances out the class compositions they'll be running outside the mccree since both gods and clockwork are excellent at that class.

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Also, I wonder if this is why gods didn't look too cheery in the Russia game yesterday.

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That definitely seemed to be the case Feelsbadman #hoodsupforgods

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+Frags for the 100th comment.

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I kinda don't believe they cut him mid tournament, he probably knew before. If he didn't it's a dick move by nrg.

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This would have been decided before the announcment, especially if they had to buyout clockwork.

Gods has been really good at the World Cup, I imagine it will not take him long to find a new team.

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agreed i think it sounds pretty impractical and messed up for the news to break to gods at the same as it is to fans of both of them

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i didnt realise how much i wanted this roster to happen

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http://i.imgur.com/oDg41su.gif

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God's statement:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp8mo2

This may be surprising to some of you because of the wording in the official announcement but I wasn't cut from NRG. The roster changes were a result of me letting the org know several weeks ago that I wanted to leave the team and go in a different direction, I didn't feel like I had good synergy with the team inside or outside of the game. As far as I know it was a similar situation for Pookz but I won't speak for him. NRG is a great org and I hope to work with them in the future but something was definitely lost in translation in that announcement and I felt the need to add some clarity to the situation. Thanks for the support everyone. ^___^

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this team is stacked, holy

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page 5 hype?

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I think its hilarious you guys talk shit about POOKZ, you wouldn't say that to him on lan; he's JACKED, he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes, you all pathetic LUL

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Statement from Gods on Twittter
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp8mo2

This may be surprising to some of you because of the wording in the official announcement but I wasn't cut from NRG. The roster changes were a result of me letting the org know several weeks ago that I wanted to leave the team and go in a different direction, I didn't feel like I had good synergy with the team inside or outside of the game. As far as I know it was a similar situation for Pookz but I won't speak for him. NRG is a great org and I hope to work with them in the future but something was definitely lost in translation in that announcement and I felt the need to add some clarity to the situation. Thanks for the support everyone. ^___^

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Way to be 13 hours late to the party Mr potato

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Am I an idiot... or are we 3 post away from page 5? :thinking:

Both.

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5th PAGE HYPE.

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cool to see this forum getting more activity :D

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I actually just read the first page of comments this morning then closed the tab cause I didn't think of any reason to check for more pages. xd.

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I'm always interested to talk Overwatch with you lirreboss. This whole thread is a conversation we could have easily had private, but instead we are trading rumours and half truths and incomplete perspectives because you tried to call out numlocked for what purpose?

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May be you should've taken my comment as a comment and don't view my comment as non constructive critique aimed at a player that was supposed to lead a team? We just don't share the view of the world the same, and you and I proved to have different perspective on things indeed. Let the discussion rest, I won't bother anymore, I've said what I wanted to reach out with my post. Whether you take it as "half truths and incomplete perspectives" is entirely on your own side and is not shared by everyone once again. And you are of course welcome to discuss Overwatch with me, I don't neglect this. :)

I did not try to call numlocked out, we've different perspective as to what calling out means. I only wanted to coin the point as to why numlocked had to leave dignitas which the news didn't pick-up too well. And that I approved such pickup in style of clockwork, who I see as a hard-working player which receives criticism for every little thing he do :)

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229 more posts to pass the #1 all time

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page 6 inc

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lirreboss
And that I approved such pickup in style of clockwork

It the 'lirreboss' seal of approval a requirement for a team to acquire a player?

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I was hoping for NRG getting Pyyyour and Clockwork. Pyyyour used to be a tactical genius, should help NRG a lot with tactic cause I don't feel like Seagull is doing much with his main shotcalling role.

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it definitely would have made a lot of sense to pick up pyyyour but he seems more bent on building a team on splyce.