It's kind of strage how Envy won 4-0 against Faze, (a team which was considered 2nd best in NA and have 5/6 of their players in OWL, one of which being arguably the best projectile player in the world) with such a handicap, they basically faught 5 v 6 and managed to win 4-0 with this trash player throwing their game since he's not "pro-caliber". Do you realise how stupid you sound?
Seagull wasn't the only player used. And I'm not saying NV is bad. I don't think anyone says that. Seagull is not outstanding on any hero, he can competently play a lot of heroes. I exaggerated on the "pro-caliber" part. I'll edit that. I still don't think he's top 5. maybe top 10 of current pro players. Taimou is good, Effect is fantastic. Seagull is nowhere near the caliber of these two. This is my argument. Seagull is not a good enough projectile player to validate the statement that NV far and away has the best DPS
They do not have top-tier projectile. Seagull has a deep hero pool, but he doesn't excel at a pro level at any of them. Yes Taimou is fantastic, and so is Effect but so are SBB and Fl0w3r. I also think LAV has a phenomenal DPS team. GrimReality McCree, SoOn tracer, Agilities Genji/Roadhog/Pharah and Silkthread (insert projectile here) Also KariV widow is incredible
I think Seagull's genji always lacked the support to shine. Additionally, he has fallen off a little since not playing pro for a while and such. Talent definitely there. I think Seagull is the strongest phara in NA. Easily top 3 for sure. He also plays a lot of other heroes at a good level; high level on most heroes, defo not the best but this is something teams like to have as well.
Remember, we haven't seen much of seagull for a good while, who knows how good he has been at his peak?
I remain optimistic.
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they got fate because they didn't think they could compete with selfless and had issues with Nomy and Visa issues. He is one of the best reins in the world
does the Winter Premier and the Carbon Series, the two season style tournaments in 2017 prior to Contenders S1 not mean anything to u. Are you going to come up and tell me for the first half of 2017, Immortals wasn't the best team in NA. For how long was Immortals considered a constant contender for every tournament they were in. So in the Winter Premier and Carbon series, you really thing that Nomy, in a triple tank meta where Reinhart was a key part of, had nothing to do with their winnings. The main reason Immortals gave him the boot was when triple tank was falling from the meta and dive was coming in, Reinhart fell from the meta. Several reinhart mains such as Nomy, Numlocked, and Fragi struggled badly because its hard to land shatters on such fast moving targets. He is one of the best Main tanks in the game. Your just pissed that you can't hit 5 man shatters like him. Come back and we'll talk about the Shock's " very poor" Supports in Dhak and sleepy
No, I watched all of those games. Nomy did not play in the Winter Premiere semifinals and Finals. And Immortals was not the best team in NA. If you want to say that "best team in NA" means that every single one of their players was a part of North America then yes, but if you don't say that then LG Evil made a very convincing argument, YIKES! also were very good, but Selfless was the undisputed king of NA. Only losing to rouge, they were phenomenal. Nomy was the worst part of IMT. He would constantly shatter when they had already lost the team fight, or just to land a 5-man, when it was 1 v 6. Nomy was not a very strong tank. Merely average, or slightly below for a pro tank. Carbon Series had good, not great teams. No Selfless or Rouge. Just 6 teams. Similar to Winter Premiere. I've watched almost every IMT game since Winter Premiere, their dynasty was Contenders Season Zero to Beat Invitational.
So are you telling me that a team of Immortals and Nomy should not have been taken seriously because the "caliber" of teams wasn't good enough. At the time of the Winter Premier and Carbon Series, both Rouge and Selfless were building their new rosters. Rouge became the great they are today in February, a month after the Winter Premier and right when the Carbon series took place. When it comes to Selfless, it wasn't until the Pit Championships were they were taken seriously. So at the time of the Winter Premier and Carbon Series, Immortals was better. And how is Nomy, the main tank for one of the greatest na teams, considered average. Average doesn't make it into OWL.
1)Dallas Fuel
2)Seoul Dynasty
3)London Spitfire
4)Philadelphia Fusion
5)NYXL
6)Florida Mayhem
7)Boston
8)LA Valiant
9)Shangai Dragons
10)Houston Outlaws
11)LA Gladiators
12)San Francisco Schock
Not sure about SD since they could easily came 7 imho... a lot of different choices and option.
SD can easily swap up to Boston or Lav
Same for Gladiators and Houston
I waana say that for me OWL is close as f...and if the last become the first i will bot be that surprised but i had to make some choices.
Actually under the best 5/6 is all close but A LOT...so i have to decided something....i put Shock last because they are the team with more weaks points. No change for support(except for Nevix) No offtank specialist (they will go for Nevix) no projectile Dps except for Nevix... but Nevix is only one. Also i am not sure about their backline and about Danteh. So i pit them last for this. Boston major problem outside of the bench( dream snow note avast). Is that they dont have a projectile specialist( so problems but less than Shock). About Houston: i dont understand why FNRGFE core is value more than Misfits one from the people. Except for Coolmat maybe Muma wiston and Clockwork Mc cree they are not near in any way to the others team. The big add are Linkrz Spree and Rawkus who save them. But they remain with only 3 1/2 holder spot at OWL levels ( offtank flex supp and projectile...whilr hitscan is half cause they dont have tracer players) Muma is not OWL level for me . Is reinhartd never bring him anywhere. The wiston yes but you cant have only a monkey specialist since you lose the combo with Spree. About Boink he never convince me. They have a good bench but they cannot cover all their lack imho. But i think thar all spot can be earmed by almost all team. But this is why i prefer a team over another.
Predictions:
Now my favorite teams in order, and why I'm rooting (or not) for them:
(I think I never wrote this much on an over.gg post)
Discuss!
1) Dynasty
2) NYXL
3) Spitfire
——————— Tier 1
4) Valiant
5) Fuel
——————— Tier 2
6) Fusion
7) Outlaws
8) Uprising
——————— Tier 3
9) Gladiators
10) Shock
11) Mayhem
——————— Tier 4
12) Dragons
——————— Tier 5
(Disclaimer these tiers are separated by thin margins)
Prediction:
1) Dynasty
2) NYXL
3) Spitfire
4) Fuel
5) Outlaws
6) Valiant
7) Mayhem
8) Gladiators
9) Uprising
10) Fusion
11) Dragons
12) Shock
Dynasty and NYXL are both well-rounded teams that have stars up and down their lineups and the classic Korean team-first mentality that has helped catapult Korea to the top in esports. Dynasty have demonstrated the most poise under pressure, which is why I'm giving them the edge, but NYXL's dps line, even without Flow3r, is unreal.
Spitfire have an incredibly talented roster, but I don't think their team cohesion will be quite as good as the top two. If they can manage to overcome the complications arising from having two distinct teams on their roster, they can win the league.
Fuel are talented, but over the course of a long season I can see them breaking down. Maybe it's just because I'm personally biased against Taimou (he's a great player, but there's no denying he's not a nice guy), but I feel like they won't be able to sustain success against the top teams, especially if they lose a couple matches early on, due to the nature of some of the players. Stamina is an important aspect of s1, and I feel like the Fuel might be lacking that. Of course, they could certainly prove me wrong and do better than I'm predicting, if the team can keep Taimou in check, and it's very unlikely they'll do any worse than 4th. They have the talent, but talent isn't everything.
Outlaws and Valiant both seem to have good chemistry, and while neither of them has a ton of star power, they can both field consistently meta-proof rosters, which should help throughout the long season. I gave the edge to Outlaws because of their tank line, but if Agilities plays well Valiant could be a scary team. Valiant have a lot of potential, but it remains to be seen whether or not they'll meet it. Outlaws need Clockwork to play like TF2 Clockwork, or the meta to shift away from full-time tracers.
Mayhem have a good roster with solid chemistry, but they'll need to make signings halfway through the season if they don't want to burn out.
Gladiators are an enigma to me. On the one hand, picking up Kungarna's tank line might not have been the best idea. On the other, BigGoose really impressed me during contenders, and people really seem to like Surefour.
After watching Mykl's video on Uprising, I feel like they'll at least be alright. Striker will need to play very well for them to win games.
Fusion have talent, but they appear to be an incredibly disorganized team. Hopefully Shadowburn can save them.
Chinese OW appears to be corrupt and filled with incompetent management. I don't expect anything good to come out of China for a while. At least the players probably have had some time to practice together and learn to play as a team.
Shock had better hope Nevix and dhaK can overcome the NRG curse, otherwise, until super turns 18, this team will get stomped on.
Mayhem only has 6 rostered, teams will adapt to them quickly. Fusion just sucks. Houston is basically FNRGFE on super sayain which had close results with Houston while sponsorless and facility-less, don't sleep on them. Korea is massively overrated here, think of how Korea took a toll on Envy, now Korea has to experience the culture shock themselves.
Dynasty
NYXL
Dallas Fuel
Spitfire
Gladiators
Outlaws
Uprising
Fusion
Valiant
Dragons
Shock
Mayhem
Bold predictions: Spitfire roster merge won't mesh, Uprising will exceed expectations (homer pick), Mayhem will be dead last due to everyone figuring them out, Shock will have chemistry issues in classic NRG form, Valiant tanks will underperform.
I think the bottom tier teams can be a bit wrong since that will most likely depend on how the teams merge together and how quickly and if any of them manage to get a win over a top tier team if the top tier team decides to use players that are normally on the bench or so. 5-8 is also very tough to call imo.
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