Muma and Coolmatt just have so much more synergy then Frago and Poko, from what i know, at least right now. All of the other teams had time to experience the 0 ping and high tick rate etc., which the members of Fusion may not be used to, also considering the scrims they might have done must have had some ping issues that may be another disadvantage. The other teams also had time to get used to the stage and all the equiptment, that, along with the fact that philly is mostly a mitch-matched team that don't have much synergy, and that they had less scrim time, it would be hard to not give it to Houston. While the players individual may be just as good or better, Houston just have more synergy and experience as a team, maybe in the future it will be closer, but I'm going to go with a 3-1 for Houston. Who knows though, i may be wrong, we'll just have to wait and see.

That's my thread PogChamp

Well, since every player needed to play in the preseason, it's obviously not a good representation of the actual league, obviously there will be benched players and starters, i think subs will be similar to how Envyus/Dallas did things in Contenders Season 1, swapping in Seagull for control maps, or for set plays, or if someone is simply having a bad day.

I agree with your point though, it was clear in MYKL's analysis of Houston vs Dallas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41iGqF1KIFA) that the tanks made very obvious mistakes, that lead Houston into an ult advantage and a snowball from there, the problem, iirc, is the tanks not being on the same page, Mickie went onto highground without Cocco, and just ended up losing his mech, then Cocco jumped to to contest a 76, i think, and he ended up dying. It's clear they weren't on the same page, and my theory is Dallas was scriming with xQc more then Cocco, so Mickie adopted a more aggressive playstyle to support xQc when he dives in, but it didn't work out with Cocco, because he's more passive, so when Mickie went agro, he ended up feeding since they weren't on the same page. Obviously this was alot to take away from 2 simple mistakes, so take it with a grain of salt, but the idea still stands, that an Offtank/team will have a hard time adjusting to different Main tank playstyles.

However, there's also a counter argument that in Dogman's podcast with LAV, (https://youtu.be/MtTRjOkU9ZU?t=27m22s) they discuss the benefits of a 6man vs a 12man roster, and they bring up some good points, that a 12man roster can do in house scriming, so they don't give away strats, or practice set plays, they example they gave is if you're having a tough time attacking Dorado first, then you can set a 6v6, and practice only first point Dorado, once you take it you can restart the custom game and do it again, and no one will know you're weak on that map, and they won't know any strats.

So, there are benefits and disadvantages, i'm leaning towards the 12 man, because of in house scriming, and there's also competition for spots on the starting roster, so people will try harder.I don't think there will be as many subs in the actual season, but i guess we'll wait and see.

Well, sitting around for 12 hours each day for months isn't exactly healthy, neither is drinking 2 liters of coke each day, that along with the stress of managing streaming and playing on an OWL team, especially one that has the hype and expectations of Dallas, is extremely draining, i hope he gets better soon.

No, my theory is he will blame his team for his performance and be like "oh, it wasn't fair my team didn't make enough space." So he can have an excuse for when he loses widow duels.

I Agree with most of the post, the only change i'd make is adding Hidan to Las Vegas. He left Iceblock as if he had an offer but remains a free agent, he's imo the second best french support, has experience in semi high level teams, and since the meta allows for Lucio to not be run 24/7, i think it would be a very solid addition.

True, but i wanted to make sure they didn't have communication issues and all spoke the same language.

I'm not the one with 2 nerd stars.

So, if you don't know what alternative history is, basically it asks the question "what if" and speculates on the effects of that one small decision on history. Here, we'll be doing the same but for OWL.

1st Topic: What if C9 out bidded NRG for Sinatraa. As you know, Sinatraa plays for the SF Shock which is owned by the NRG org. The reason his contract was for 150k was because NRG got into a bidding war with C9 and won. So, what if C9 won?

The first effect would be that C9 Kongdoo and by extension GC Busan wouldn't have been signed for team London. So what would the roster have been? C9 owned 2 teams, C9 NA and C9 EU. So perhaps a mix of the two rosters would look something like:

Sinatraa
Nevix
MikeyA
Gods
SPACE
Mowzassa
Greyy
Adam
Roolf

C9 weren't afraid to put Koreans on C9 NA, so maybe a few? Obviously not an entire team.

What would the other effects be? If Kongdoo don't get signed, then where would they and GC Busan go? My first theory is Birdring and Rascal would go to Seoul Dynasty, since they were looking for solid DPS players. Perhaps some would go to NYXL. I'm not sure. Would Boston and Fusion try to get some more recognizable and experienced players? Where would Fury go?

Next, how would this affect Shock? Would they keep Danteh as the main Tracer player? Would they try to get Dafran? Davin maybe? Since Brad's philosophy is to get younger players he hopes have potential, would he try to get one of the players from the College scene? What I'm saying is Shock would kind of fall apart. Obviously if C9 were going for an NA/EU roster, so they would probably want Nevix in the roster too. If Shock don't have him as Flex, would Harbleu stay in the roster? Would they pick up Zappis? Would the duo of Zappis and Davin be likely? Maybe Mangachu or zza or Hafficool?

Would LAV and Fusion get SPACE and Neptuno? Who would replace them then? Maybe Mangachu or Zappis or Hafficool for SPACE and Phaz or Morte for Neptuno?

2nd Topic: What if there were 14 teams and Blizz closed the deal with the last team. It's speculated Rogue had an spot in OWL lined up, but since Blizz couldn't close the deal with the 14th team, they cut Rogue for a better number of 12. (this isn't 100% fact but it's been strongly hinted at). So what if there was a French team, let's say Paris, and another team.

First, Paris would have all of Rogue, so Soon and Unkoe wouldn't be on LAV. So who would they try to get to fill the void those two did? Would they get someone like Davin? Maybe Greyy and Mikeya? Perhaps they'd try to get Rawkus and Carpe before Fusion and Outlaws got them? Would they sign Roolf?

Next, what would the roster of this Paris team look like? Here's my guess:

Kolsti
Knoxx
Poko
Nico
Soon
AKM
Leaf
Unkoe
Hidan
Winz

So if they got Poko from Fusion, would they have Zappis instead?

Who would the 14th team sign? Perhaps the Runaway roster with a few pickups like Hoon, maybe another support player to let Kox play dps on some maps, most likely someone to fill Haksal's role. Would they be another Chinese org that would sign MY? Maybe an EU org that could sign Gigganti and some finnish subs? Maybe EUnited? Maybe another NA team that would sign more talent?

So:

Runaway

MY

Something for EU like:

Mowzassa/Sharky/Reinforce/Christfer
Hafficool/Zappis/Txao/Smex
Kruise/Kyb/Ube
Vallutaja/Davin
Unfixed
Greyy/Veineless
Morte

For the Finnish lineup:

Fragi
Zappis
Tseini
Linkzr
Ube
Davin
Shaz
Zuppeh
Bigg00se

Some of these players were taken by orgs but i put them there anyway. Misfits got Zuppeh before this team would be made, and Fragi, Shaz, Bigg00se and Linkzr were taken. So if this line up was real, how would Fusion, LAG, and Outlaws be effected?

I think since i heard xQc talk about main tanks in the league, he said Fusion wanted one from EU since their coach was from their, so maybe Mowzassa? If you have Mozassa you'd probably want Greyy, so maybe instead of Boombox they got Greyy, and Misfits/FL would get Boombox since Zuppeh was taken.

Next for Linkzr i think Outlaws would get Buds, and LAG (if they were looking for a duo that had synergy) maybe Roolf and Adam?

Last roster: Mix of NA talent

Something like:

FCTFCTN
Hyped
Mangachu
Gods
J3sus
Dogman
Roolf
Adam

However the mostly likely would have been a mix.

Do you guys have any other topics? What do you feel about these topics? Do you have any answers to the questions?

Ouch, Mangachu can't even make a Canadian OWL team even tho he was on team Canada which placed 2nd in OWWC, FeelsBadMan

It's kind of strage how Envy won 4-0 against Faze, (a team which was considered 2nd best in NA and have 5/6 of their players in OWL, one of which being arguably the best projectile player in the world) with such a handicap, they basically faught 5 v 6 and managed to win 4-0 with this trash player throwing their game since he's not "pro-caliber". Do you realise how stupid you sound?

Well, they had 3 months to get 6/11 players into the US, they spent millions to get a spot, but can't even get there, it's embarrassing.

We already do, the villains who kicked Reinforce off team Sweden and cheated him out of a chance to play at Blizzcon :rage:

Well, here goes: Davin, Gods, Mangachu, AKM, Shadder2k, Zappis, FCTFCTN, Knoxxx, Roolf, Adam, and Greyy.

Davin is the best EU Tracer not in OWL, he kept up with Tracers like Logix and Snillo, even beating those 2 on LAN and proving he has what it takes, he's also been described as hardworking, which is always a plus.

Gods is one of the most experienced players in all of the OW scene, it would be tough to find someone as experienced as him who's not in OWL. He's one of the most flexible players, being able to play Main Tank, Flex Tank, and DPS, all to a extremely high level.

Mangachu is the best pharah player not in OWL period, excluding Fl0w3r, he's proven himself time and time again, in the World cup for team Canada, who placed second. His hero pool also works extremely well with Gods, who is so good at the Flex and DPS roles.

AKM, do i need to explain? He's an insane hitscan and pharah with mountains of LAN experience, he's been proven time and again to be able to play at the highest level of the game.

Shadder2k is a strong genji with lots of room to improve and grow as a player in the future, tons of talent and potential.

Zappis, great leader, insane offtank and flexibility, has been around for ever, similer to Gods and AKM

FCTFCTN is one of the greatest tank players in OW history, consistently played at a high level on a top teir team, and on all 3 main tanks, out Orisa-ing Mano on Nepal in the USA vs SK game, and he's also proven to be one of the best throughout all metas.

Knoxxx is big brain, one of the smartest players, tons of LAN experience, and his flexibility of Lucio and Winston allows for many comps to be played.

Adam is the best mercy NA, good in game leader from what i heard, 2 time USA world cup Lucio, insane overall

Roolf, solid flex support, proven to be able to play at a high level.

Greyy, good Zen, insane Sombra.

Overall, these 11 players form to make a team that has crazy amounts of LAN experience, insane flexibility, and tons of Synergy compared to other OWL teams, Knoxxx and AKM played together on Rouge and France, Gods Adam and Roolf played together on C9, Adam and FCTFCTN, and Roolf and Mangachu played together on their respective World cup teams, and Davin and Zappis were on Gigganti.

But i don't know if i'd go out in public with a hat that has a flaming bull made of guns on it. Lol

100% agree

Well, I'd switch FCTFCTN and Knoxxx, i think Knoxxx already tryed out with Philly but they chose SADO over him, and Miami i think need a strong Rein and Orisa player and FCTFCTN imo is better then Knoxxx at those two, but Knoxxx can play 2 roles, Lucio and Winston, so maybe SF since they only have 1 of each? Davin is defiantly a strong choice because he kept up with the level of Logix and Snillo in Contenders.

Can SF stop bullying C9 now? First they won the bidding war with C9 over Sinnatra, then they signed Nevix, formerly of C9 EU, and now they have their coach. I mean C9 did buy 2 of the top Korean teams, but they need to stop adding insult to injury.

Ok

Here's my full opinion of Florida: They can be a very flexible team that can pull out insane strats, they can be a team that no one could prepare against. As long as they get the right subs, for example, if they picked up FCTFCTN, Zappis, Adam, and AKM, then they could run some pretty crazy comps. Like on Oasis, they'd have something like FCT, Cwoosh, Zappis, Logix, Zuppeh and Zebbosai, they could have Cwoosh and Logix dps and Zappis on tank, then move Zappis over to Soldier and put Cwoosh on Winston and run double main tank. But now, if they have the same performance as they did in Misfits vs Gigganti, who weren't an OWL level team, they probably won't do too well imo.

Yeah, i agree, esspecially with such great players like FCTFCTN out there, i think Cwoosh can play in the role of being a dps that can flex to Winston on maps like Oasis where double main tank is viable, maybe even an option for 3 dps.

I'm not impressed, he's constantly at 30-40 charge and doesn't generate ults that quickly, from what I've seen, i obviously don't watch every game and take percise notes, maybe i missed one where he had a great game, idk, im just saying im not impressed.

Well, Manneten isn't a star player, but he's not bad either. I honestly don't rate Houston that highly, Cloclwork was considered one of the weaker parts of FNRGFE and i don't know how he compares to players like EFFECT. Florida may surprise people, maybe I'm a bit bias because of the whole Reinforce situation, but the thing is, FNRGFE were beaten by 2 orgs, FAZE and ENVY, they weren't expected to win, they didn't have a coach (if i remember), they were just a bunch of random guys, they got in over teams like Kungarna and Rogue, it was an accomplishment to actually get in playoffs. While Misfits, the org, who werw favored to win, lost to Gigganti, a recently assembled group of random finnish players, yeah, they had sponsors, but no real org. It was very close to be fair tho. They're not the worst team in the league, people are obviously sleeping on them, and i can imagine a few upsets, but i don't expect it.

His hog is insane, his dva is meh, and his Zarya is bad, if you watch players like EFFECT and Sinatraa play Zarya, you can see how fast they charge their ults and how much damage they do and how much value they get from her when she's fully charged. They get nanoboosted and melt squishies, you just don't see the same kind of game changing play from Mannaten.

1) Their tankline is one of the weakest in the tournament, Mannaten is almost never in the killfeed, so i think he plays a mostly passive style, his ults are lack luster and his Zarya is meh, Cwoosh isn't confident on Rein which is a weakness, he also doesn't make any Miro plays, if you compare him to someone like Fragi, or any of the Korean Winstons, his play is meh as well. This tankline compared to lets say Dallas or Seoul, theirs is easily stronger

2) The supports are meh as well. Zuppeh is a great Ana, but his Zen isn't the stuff of dreams, he doesn't get early pick offs too often, his rate of charging his ult is meh, Unkoe, Boombox, and Shaz all have more impact, Zebbosai, i don't really have anything to say.

3) Logix doesn't play that well on LAN

4) They have no subs

None of these players are bad, but other teams are stacked compared to these guys. Also, competition is alot weaker in EU contenders, they didn't dominate the way Envy did, i think Gigantti showed alot of their weaknesses. And also, if i remember correctly, none of the teams were actual orgs in Contenders, and didn't have the resources or coaching staff of Misfits.

Lastly, most of the team was on team Sweden and they kicked Reinforce off Babyrage. Keep in mind, these are the monsters who kicked Reinforce off the team and cheated him out of a chance to go to Blizzcon and play on that stage and show off his skill. They are the villans of OWL and must be defeated.

Now that you mention it, i think they could beat Florida and SF, maybe even Houston if Mistakes has an insane game.

Well, i get that APEX isn't that great of measure of how good Dallas are because they were in a different country and they were crammed into hotels and what not, it wasn't a good environment to practice in i guess, stuff like that that KYKY said, but having koreans go over to NA could be a small boost for Dallas, but the Koreans have just been more consistent and more team oriented, no one knows how good they'll be, but based off of the Seoul cup and GC Busans play, i'd give the edge to the koreans, but NA isn't far behind, if anyone is goimg to beat them its Dallas though, new meta, anything can happen.

If you could make a team for OWL out of free agents, and minor teams, what team would you build? (No players from already created OWL teams) Here's mine:

FCTFCTN (Tank)
Knoxxx (Tank/Support)
Zappis (Flex)
Mangachu (Flex)
Gods (Flex)
Davin (DPS)
AKM (DPS)
Jaru (DPS)
Greyy (Flex Support)
Roolf (Flex Support)
Adam (Support)

FCTFCTN, one of the best main tank players in the world, he proformed insanely in the World Cup and kept up with Mano for a while.

Knoxxx, super flexible and can cover the main tank and Lucio role to a very high level.

Zappis, best off tank not in OWL imo, good on LAN.

Mangachu, in the world cup, team Canada showed just how good a team with Mangachu on his comfort heroes can be. On maps like Oasis, having the dps combo of Mangachu and Davin, with Mangachu on Pharah and Junkrat can be really strong, also on a map like Kings Row where both Hanzo and Zarya are really strong, Mangachu can shine.

Gods' hero pool works well with Mangachu's because he can play offtank and dps to a high level which allows Mangachu to reach his full potential.

Davin, great Tracer, he kept up with players like Logix and Snillo in Contenders Season 1

AKM, great hitscan and Pharah and is insane on LAN as seen in the World Cup.

Jaru, best genji not in OWL, (not counting underaged ones like Shadder2k, Haksal, and Whoru) i have him just in case Genji or Doomfist become meta again

Greyy, insane sombra, solid zen

Roolf, insane zen as seen for Canada in World cup, good Ana too

Adam, best Mercy NA, never dies. Good at micromanaging, ult tracking, and shot calling.

Over all, this team has a very solid back line and front line, the dps can compete with LA Valient imo, they're prepared for almost any meta, Pharah, Genji, 3 support, 3 Tank, 3 dps, etc. Combined these players can play almost any combination of DPS, Tanks and Supports, for example, Mccree Doomfist, Mccree Junkrat, Tracer Genji, Widow Hanzo even. Also flag meta is pretty strong. 4 Americans, 2 Canadians, 2 Finnish, 2 French, and even 1 from Portugal.

1. London
2. Seoul
3. Dallas
4. NY
5. LA Valient
6. Philly
7. LA Gladiators
8. Houston
9. Shanghai
10. SF Shock
11. Florida
12. Boston

I made 4 Teirs, Teir 1,2,3, and 4 for OWL.

Teir 1: 1-4
Teir 2: 5-7
Teir 3: 8-9
Teir 4: 10-12

The top 4 are obvious. London i put above Seoul because of how well GC Busan did.

5-7 i put because they have multiple threats, not just the dps, but the tanks and supports are outstanding, like Boombox, Unkoe, Shaz, Fragi, etc. In combination with great dps players will lead them to the top, this area is pretty competitive. But i need to give Valient the lead because they've been a team for the longest, then Philly because of the pure star power, and Gladiators last because Surefour, in a meta of Tracer specialists who hit 2-3 man pulse bombs, i don't know how highly id rate S4, and Hydration is pretty 1 dementiomal, and they only have 7 players.

I put Houston 1 level under them because while the rest of the team is solid, they don't have a outstanding Tracer specialist and Clockwork was the weakest part of FNRGFE, he may drag the team down, depends all on if Clockwork proforms, if he can bring a Soon/ Snillo level proformance they can break into 5-7 teir. Same situation for Shanghai, they can break into teir 2 if the players perform, i don't follow Chinese esports much, but based on the China-Korea Tournament with LH and C9KD for Korea and MY and that other one that got crushed. Along with world cup performances (ik the visa issues and lack of practice, but still) i don't rate them that highly.

10-12 i put SF because they lack a strong Off tank and Sinatraa and Super can't play yet. I put FL next because they lack a strong Tank/Front line, Logix doesn't show up on LAN at all, and the supports on my honest opinion are meh, no Boombox proformances, just meh over all, plus they don't even have a single sub so they're easy to prep against and if someone gets sick or injured there's no one to take their place, It's a risky move and it makes them one dimentional, especially when we have great players like FCT, Zappis, Adam and Roolf not in OWL. Lastly, Boston, do i need an explanation, every thing about them is just meh, they cleaned up some Support issues, but i don't have faith in them. They look better now then when they got announced, and they may place above SF and FL, but they don't have a chance of getting above 10 in my opinion.

You couldn't title it "Canada sends Australia down under"? Real missed opportunity here. A bit disappointed.

Who's ready for a roster of Adam, Roolf, FCTFCTN, J3sus, Gods, and Mangachu to dominated the NA Contenders Season 2? That would be such a dream team TBH. Hopefully there's a small signing period in the mid season so some of the over looked players like Roolf, Adam, FCTFCTN, Zappis etc. can get picked up, they're easily good enough to play in that environment, i just hope the best of the best get together and have a good performance in Contenders.

I don't know how the roster will do with Fragi, i would have prefered FCTFCTN, because Fragi is known for his insanely aggressive playstyle, and while it would work with someone like Sinnatraa and Dhak, not sure if it will work with Joe and SDB, and to add onto that, Gigantii supported Fragi to play so agro, and with not even a single member having played with him before i'm not sure it will work out, FCTFCTN would have shnergy with SDB because he they have been playing together forever.

EZ replace him with Dafran problem solved XD.

Um, hello? World cup? France VS South Korea if it happens. Probably the closest thing to what you want.

Rouge had issues, they were the best in NA, yes, they won almost every game, but their play was bad, compared to the Koreans who played the game "correctly". The ult coordination was poor, they'd invest ults into losing fights, it was mostly evident with Dragonblades and Trances. They didn't have a good offtank, the only reason they did well was because they figured out how to run a correct dive, and they had so much mechanical skill, no one could compete, but they had many issues, it's just no one in NA decided to take the time and figure out how to beat them.

But when they went over to Korea, they got steamrolled because they weren't a team. Koreans value team play and having a team be worth more then just the sum of their parts, but Rouge were the opposite, so when they went over to Korea, teams disected them, they abused the fact that they didn't have a good offtank. So they killed the supports easily, while the tanks protected and pealed for their own supports and shut down anyone who tryed to do anything.

Rogue could only run 1 comp so they were very one dimensional. The koreans only needed to counter only one comp, and when they did, every team without a good offtank fell, Rouge, IMT, Renegades, Eunited, and probably more. Even though that is my opinion, Rogue weren't in the best of circumstances, they were shipped to a different country, stuffed in hotel rooms and forced to play well in a glass box. Pair that with the weak competition in NA and you have recipe for disaster.

So, to sum it up, Rogue lost because they didn't play like a team, their ultimate coordination and usage was wasteful and not planned throughly, they didn't have a good offtank and they could only play 1 comp, so koreans exploited these flaws and rolled them in APEX. After that they couldn't get back on the feet and 3 dps was much less viable after the koreans showed how to counter it.

Well, yes, but Boston said they have 2 more players to announce, and LA Gladiators only have 7 players which is very few for an OWL team, same with Mayhem. As for the other 4 (NA teams), i'm pretty sure Shock is done (i think Brad said on twitter) Dallas, obviously, and both Houston and LA Valient already have a tons of players.

So he may go to Mayhem, but i doubt it, Boston look weak on their projectile and flex support play, so perhaps SDB and Roolf or something, but knowing Boston, meh, and Fusion the most likely one, the theory is that they have the former Faze and built a team around them, but i can also see Gladiators, though Hydration's Genji isn't bad, SDB is SDB, but my guess would be Fusion.

That sounds like a perfect idea that no one could abuse in any way shape or form.

Budget Carpe XD

i know, just a idea, also congrats.

It doesn't even have to be Zappis, Tseini would work extremely well on the roster in that position too, even someone like Harbleu or Space (rumored to be on IMT) would bring the flexibility of being able to play dps, having Cwoosh being able to play a solid Genji and Zebbosai a strong Zarya is an advantage, with the current roster of only 6, how would they adapt to new metas? If 3 DPS is very good, they couldn't do anything, same with triple tank, or solo support, or triple support, no one know what the meta will be, if the new hero (support hopefully) is super op, and Mercy still has her rez, and Zen stays strong, then 3 supports would be good, we never know what the meta will be, but i would love to see them add more players and flesh out their potential.

And the playstyle difference between Cwoosh and Fragi would always keep the enemy teams on their toes, it also allows them to be prepared for any meta.

Wait, Really? This is it? Their tanks are going to get eaten alive, the dream would be to get Fragi, Zappis, and Shaz at least, it would open up the team to play so much more, with Cwoosh being able to flex onto DPS and Zappis over to dps and Zebbosai onto flex tank (Zarya in particular).

So, they get Oasis, so they pick Fragi, Cwoosh, Zappis, Tviq, Zebbosai and Shaz, so on the two Pharah maps they run Pharmercy with Tviq on Pharah, and Cwoosh on Genji, and have Zappis and Fragi on the tanks, then on University they can have Cwoosh on Wins and Fragi on Rein and still have a very good DPS in Zappis' Soldier, and if that doesn't work out they move Zappis over to Offtank and Cwoosh to DPS, obviously they won't have a Tracer, but it's just an example.

Another one, they are on Kings Row and they have Fragi, Zappis, Tviq, Logix, Zuppeh, and Zebbosai. So on offence they have 3 dps with Zappis on Hanzo to open up, if it doesn't work they run standard dive. Then on Defence, they run 3 Tanks, 2 DPS, 1 Healer, with Zuppeh Ana, Fragi Rein, Zebbosai Zarya, Zappis Dva, and Tviq and Logix on Junk and Soldier respectively. If the Ana buffs go through, it has everything, tanks for Ana to get ult fast, spam, solid Pharah counters with Ana 3 shotting squishies, Zuppeh is probably the best Ana in EU and has a ton of experience healing 3 tanks. The Soldier also gives extra protection and sustain for ana with the biotic feild.

If they got Zappis Fragi and Shaz with this roster, the comps they could run are endless, they could trick up teams so well and it would add a depth that teams can't prepare against, obviously i know Zappis isnt in OWL, but maybe he could get signed eventually, who knows.

HAHA, is is sad, his points are "i don't like their fan base" and "their name's bad", the only actually point he made was Dallas signing streamers... But the Outlaws signed mendo... If anyone gets baited by this, i'll laugh, insulting people is not a way to start a rivaly, it's a way to get your post deleted.

I guess, but i can't stop think of the clip wheb mendo blinked off the map XD.

Yay! The dream's not dead!

Just when i thought my favorite hero wouldn't be a mascot, the orange and black work really well together, i like the logo too, i don't think it will be as iconic as some of the other ones, but i like it.

Linkzr had one of the best widows in beta and he showed that off, and his Mccree in the Contenders Season 1 final vs Misfits, he played out of his mind on every character and if he can keep up that performance, they don't need to worry about that position, i agree that they either need a better Tracer specialist like Davin who played better then Logix on LAN, or Clockwork needs to step it up, he was considered one of the weaker parts of FNRGFE, also Muma may not be the best Rein but he has played it before and there's still alot of time to practice before season 1 starts.

Fans: Yay, with the new Mercy buffs the USA may stand a chance of beating South Korea

Blizzard: Ana damage per shot 60 -> 70

Fans: No please! What are you doing?

Blizzard: Mercy cast time for rez: 1.75 seconds

Fans: Noooooooo...

Blizzard: Mercy can be stunted to interup rez

Fans: Stop, she's already dead

Oh, come on, Australia will easily take the World Cup, i mean they're literally a continent XD

I mean, i guess i am a little harsh, but if you put him in a situation vs someone like Munchkin or EFFECT or Birdring/Profit, etc. i don't think he would really preform, people like Soon and Surefour have been playing her forever, and are mechanically gifted, i think of Clockwork as more of a Grim kind of guy, who was forced to play Tracer for the team, and is more comfortable on that Mccree hitscan role, i guess we really do need to see, maybe if the coaching is right, i just don't know, not too confident about it though.