Post your ideas.
Underrated team: Team Gigantti/GC Busan
Overrated team: LGD Gaming/NRG
Underrated player: FCTFCTN
Overrated player: Surefour
I think you are misunderstanding why people thing Seagull is good and why he doesn't live up to the expectations. Seagull clearly does not enjoy playing Overwatch, but he does make a lot of money doing it. So he maintains the status quo so he can play on his terms and make enough money doing it. He now gets to only practice with nV sometimes and it's only Pharah and he streams sometimes so he doesn't get burned out.
What people mean when they say Seagull is good is that if Seagull practiced as much as everyone else, he would be insane. Because he would. His knowledge of movement and positioning is incredible and his aim, especially with Pharah is pretty unrivaled. Seagull was the best soldier TF2 ever had. Those skills don't disappear. They get rusty but if he was playing as much as he was in beta, there is no doubt he would be living up to those expectations.
This kind of post is ripe for a troll like remiska. The pro's don't judge each other that way and they would be humble and smart enough to not judge fellow players like that. On his/her day any player can be a god, and those who practice the most end up being the most consistent. I heard somewhere that Sinatraa plays 12 - 15 hours a day. That's almost like work to him. >100 hours a week, those are investment banker numbers.
Remiska you troll. Neither you nor your mom are qualified to say anything about anyone. Work on improving your on outlook rather than troll around a post like this one.
mate, you have 3 posts on this forum and you think i troll?
ok here have few of my "trolly" posts
https://www.over.gg/6173/kings-of-korean-overwatch-lunatic-hai#6
https://www.over.gg/5987/misfits-unfulfilled-expectations#1
https://www.over.gg/5964/maybe-something-interesting-about-envyus#14
https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams/?page=2#82
wont go further because there is no point, misterdeath ypu have no idea about this forum and me so why the fuck you think you can judge me? kid you are not qualified to say anything about anyone
seagull is overrated by his fans and im not talking about last month and his games on envy because they mean nothing, you could put probably any half decent pro in envy and they would win contenders
im talking about his nrg days when he was far from genjis like fpr example sdb and the problem is even now many his fans put him as best or amongst best genjis/players in the world which he is and never been
next time really get a grip of forum because your cpmment have shown you have no idea about people on here
"the problem is even now many his fans put him as best or amongst best genjis/players in the world which he is and never been". Again, neither you nor your mom is qualified to judge that. It seems you are more of a spectator making arm chair comments and probably never played the game. Stop trolling bro. Go live a healthy, happy life.
Overrated player:mangachu
Underrated player:gods
Mangachus skill set is that of a niche role and not a starter, Gods the guy can play anything at a high level when he puts the practice in
Edit I guess I need teams
Overrated:Flash Wolves, farm low teir competition, start to crack once they play a teir 2+
Underrated:Gamers Origin, they played well in contenders surprising alot of people, Poko I think is an OWL worthy offtank
Underrated team: 123 (would have been a match for both C9 and at Misfits at LAN with Tonic, probably not at Gigantti's level)
Overrated team: Misfits (my favourite team but current roster isn't good enough to compete with Envy, LH, C9 + LW Blue in OWL)
Underrated player: Libero (should have been picked up by a tier 1 team months ago)
Overrated player: sinatraa (don't shoot me but he just isn't as good as people make him out to be)
Underrated team: Immortals (as of right now, they didn't used to be)
Overrated team: C9 Kongdoo (never found them to be absolutely incredible)
Underrated player: Architect (seriously, he's phenomenal)
Overrated player: Babybay (I like him, and happy he's on San Fran, but people hype him up too much)
Underrated over.gg member: Pixelfish
Overrated over.gg member: KuroiRyuu
Underrated team: Envision w/ numlocked (not sure if now, we will see!)
Overrated team: Misfits for obvious reasons
Underrated player: emongg, Greyy, dhaK, Cwoosh, Tseini and INTERNETHULK, wait wait hold that downvote button lemme explain. I believe hulk got discouraged from playing too soon and jumped into coaching at the wrong time. Rarely does someone go from the top (winning apex) to not even being a valuable player.
Overrated player: babybay and Nomy (Ive always been a big fan of nomy, still am, but unless he has improved since IMT then being on San Fran for OWL deems him overrated in my book)
Underrated over.gg member: Anyone who likes me
Overrated over.gg member: Anyone who doesn't like me
To your point 3. I would say Surefour has proved himself one of the best dps players in the world in various ways. But the old C9 team had so many issues over the past 6 months, its tough to currently rate any of them. Looking forward to seeing some of them in fresh situations and seeing how things shake out. I expect Surefour to Re-make a name for himself in OWL.
Hold the down vote, I think that GC Busan might be overrated. Lunatic Hai now looks completely different, and while they may not be too polished yet, they have definitely been practicing with Fleta and The other new additions which might have thrown APEX. Also their Busan's win over C9KD might not mean that much,, Kongdoo is definitely having internal problems other than in game, hopefully the Rap God Quartermain can help out there.
Underrated: 123, RIP Tonic visa
this thread is perfect example of how biased this site is towards seagull
you cant say anything bad about our god and saver seagull because youll get downvoted to oblivion, not hating you cant state negative opinion and honestly its pathetic
everyone else its ok, your opinion but criticising seagull? OH NO
It's not a site bias towards Seagull, it's just disagreeing with your point of view. You have all the freedom in the world to criticise and say that in your opinion he's overrated, but when the majority of the pro community seem to think he's one of the best players, people are going to side with the people who have the most knowledge about him, hence the downfrags. I'd argue that you could actually say he's underrated due to the fact that he'd been out of the pro scene for so long and then came back and gave buds (another highly rated player) a lesson on Pharah, something I don't think many people would have expected.
Underrated team: IMT
Overrated team: NRG
Underrated player: Super this guy is nutty at everything
Overrated player: FCTFCTN idk if u guys remembered but with the old faze, fctfctn wasnt the best and ppl in the chat would always meme about him when they played c9 (big rivals back in the day)ever since he was announced to the usa roster everyone was saying hes a god at the game and hes been playing no the best on faze
Underrated team: 123 (Still salty about the Visa issues. Wanna see them fight Gigantti at full strength damn it)
Overrated team: Kongdoo Panthera (I liked them more over time, mainly cause I love Birdring and Fissure, but never found them as strong or as consistent as other KR teams like Lunatic-Hai or LW Blue, outside of maybe Season 3 of APEX. Personally like Uncia more, but mainly cause I love Bubbly and the boys)
Underrated player: Fischer (one of the nuttiest EU Flex DPS I have seen recently, but not quite as acknowledged.)
Overrated player: Mangachu (outside of his pretty godly Pharah, he's just...ok on meta flex picks. Admire his niche hero pool though)
How tf can CG busan be overrated, they beat two of the best korean teams in a dominating 3-0 fashion, Lunatic Hai twice, the team that many people to be the best team in the world, 3-0, twice. If you're going to call anyone overrated call Lunatic Hai overrated, yeah their dps are bad, but that never stopped them in the past, its not like they barely stole 1 very close series against LH, no, they 3-0 the best team in the world twice.
ok so one more time about seagull
bias is ok to some degree
you say that you think this guy is good, cool, but when people, like on this site start getting so fucking defensive when you say something even slightly negative about seagull then its wrong
its the same for everything,
you like your country better then others. its cool
you hate other countries. thats nationalism and not cool
you like your skin colour but dont have anything against other colours. perfectly good
you hate other skin colours. thats racism
and on this site its the 2nd thing happaning
you say seagull is great player but youre okay if someone thinks otherwise. nothing against it
you think seagull is great player and attack anyone who says otherwise. thats wrong and thats exactly what is going on on this site
*My unpopular opinion is as valid as your popular opinion!
However if you disagree with my unpopular opinion then your opinion is not valid!!!!"
Forgive me but that is all I'm seeing you say right now.
Sure go ahead and say Seagull is bad, I personally don't rate him too highly myself. Don't get mad when people disagree with you though.
You may have missed the quotation marks around the first two lines, that's me impersonating you. Also I'll just throw in here since I won't reply again quickly that my main gripe is you comparing people disagreeing with you to racism. No, it's not the same thing and it's damn right silly to even go down that line. If you're not brave enough to have a controversial opinion and stand by it without getting mad when people call you out then you probably shouldn't say it in the first place. I'm happy to get downvoted for saying this since it's what I think and I'm happy to stand by it. By the way, nothing personal, I think you're a great guy.
the problem is not that people have different opiniom than i do if they said "oh i have different opinion/disagree/think otherwise" it would be all good
but on this site when someone says something bad about seagull "they are wrong" (and im even quoting penda here) so it turns out its no mlre about what wethink but about facts and these are not facts
and you totaly missed the poimt of my comment its not comparing racism to anything, its showing the mechanism (to make it simpler look at nationalism only) and look at robokun comment
i dont care what people think about seagull
Downvoting someone because they disagree with your opinion is a retarded as fuck system though, I've seen people saying useless shit with 6 +'s yet soon as 1 guy says Seagull ain't all that he suddenly has -6.
Have your own opinion that Seagull is the best in the world, but downvoting someone because they disagree with you? that's different. He's getting mad that people on this site are petty as fuck and need to stop riding the boaby of Seagull.
OMFG SOMEONE SAID SEAGULL WAS BAD TIME TO DOWNVOTE.
If that shit ain't immature then I don't know what is.
What is immature is caring that much about up/downvotes. Are you guys serious ? This is turning into the most childish thread I've seen here.
When you're a fan of a player you cheer for him and defend him, it's a natural human reaction, same you do with loved ones. I don't see how it triggers so many people that others disagree with (sorry, downvote) your point of view.
No one's saying you don't get to have an opinion (if anyone does they're idiots). Works the same with any unpopular opinion.
Example: You think Seagull isn't good (or bad even) and people saying he's good can't base it on anything. Well, you can't base him being bad on anything either.
There's no mutual outcome in such debates. It's like telling someone who likes purple that purple is garbage and fucking fuschia is better. Hello ??
And Remiska, you shouldn't talk about bias honestly: doesnt matter if he is good or not but he is overrated. This is textbook personal bias and subjectivity.
"im a fan of white race i cheer for it and hate on other races"
thats not cool and thats exactly the point of my comment
Example: You think Seagull isn't good (or bad even) and people saying he's good can't base it on anything. Well, you can't base him being bad on anything either.
There's no mutual outcome in such debates. It's like telling someone who likes purple that purple is garbage and fucking fuschia is better. Hello ??
let me quote penda "you are wrong"
when talking about seagull people on this site dont say that its their opinion they say its a fact
and ill repeat myself i dont care what people think of seagull so they can disagree with me as much as they want
the problem is the way they act
ill quote my original comment:
you say seagull is great player but youre okay if someone thinks otherwise. nothing against it
you think seagull is great player and attack anyone who says otherwise. thats wrong and thats exactly what is going on on this site
thats where i see problem
I mean people are entitled to their opinions, they're not gonna start with imo every time they say something/disagree with someone, it's a given in many cases. Same goes when you say that Seagull is bad.
All I'm saying is when you put an unpopular opinion on the table, expect people to disagree with/downvote you. I'll be honest some of your comments were not constructive at all, and you talk about Seagull like it's facts too. It goes both ways.
Can't argue with people when it comes to personal preference, just the way it is.
Overrated Team: I think most Teams are rated pretty good
Underrated Team: GOLDEN SAUSAGE! :D (and Immortals if they really get Soon & Unkoe) aswell as the chinese Boys (Miraculous Youngsters i believe))
Overrated Player: Sinatraa (ofc he is a good Tracer but i dont think he is capable of playing on the lvl of an EFFECT, Birdring etc. in OWL against the top Teams (so far he only played good vs NA Teams and a few EU Contenders)
Underrated Player: Nevix (one of the most versatile Players in the game & a really sick Flex DPS if supported by a proper Team)
Interesting Topic, but not sure what useful Information it provides to be honest ("underrated" is nice because it gives a "positive" discussion, the "overrated" category only gives of "negative" vibes tho), still very interesting to read everything :D
Overrated team: C9 KD, everyone thinks they're one of the best OWL teams but i just don't think the coordination and teamwork is there yet, i like their logo though. Another one is Faze, they have alot of star players but not much synergy. Last one MY, they're dominant in the China scene but they lost to Lunatic Hai in the tournament that just happened this weekend (don't remember name).
Underrated: Renegades, everyone thinks they're garbage teir, but actually they're all teir 1, and the only reason they lost is because Blizzard hacked all of them (XD memes) no, seriously, RNG did pretty good vs FNRGFE when they put Mangachu on dps amd ZachaREEE on offtank. Also IMT if the roster changes go through.
Overrated: Jaru, his genji isn't that good, his shrunken accuracy is inconsistent compared to Agilities and SDB, also Logix, hes not that good on LAN, other Tracers aren't far behind. Also i think Muma and Coolmatt aren't the best tanks in the worls, they're good but not that good. IDDQD, not sure why NRG keep him around, after Sinnatraa and Super can play, he won't get much play time in OWL. Lastly, Tviq, might be a little rustly, idk, but he hasn't impressed me.
Underrated: MYKL, hes actually the best player on Kungarna, XD, but i think Agilities is underrated, hes one of the best in the world, his team haven't enabled him too much tho. Grim and J3 are also, Tracer isn't their best heroes. Reinforce, hes not that bad, knows alot about the game. And Super, lots skill, lots of flexibility. Lastly, Harbleu, nutty Zarya and Hog, he can ne a specialist/sub for a OWL team for sure.
Yes, MY did male it a close series against LH, but the whole "they've been undefeated for 22 games or whatever" is valid but not really accurate to their actual skill, they have things they need to improve on some things, besides LH played with a new roster and not the optinal DPS set up. They'd be an OWL level team if they were in like Apex which in my opinion is a much more competitive tournament and would really test them and help them improve.
Anyone who watches IMT knows that Agilities can straight up carry. No other player that I’ve seen can take out a full health pharmercy with a dragonblabe. He wins tournaments. He was also a god tier roadhog back in the day and is still a very good pharah, not quite Mangachu levels but quite high up there. No one gives him enough respect
He unfortunately wasn't a god tier Roadhog and his Pharah has never done wonders tbh. He's consistent on Genji and can pop off and change games, as you said, but his other heroes are nowhere near imo.
Genji's a very one tricky hero, rarely do you see anybody proficient on Genji be on the same level on another hero (to a lesser degree, Tracer players). I believe he has the highest skill cap in the game, which requires a lot of constant practice.
Overrated: Seagull, fanboys mindlessly revere him as the messiah of overwatch
Underrated: Seagull, people mindlessly hate on his skills just because of his popularity
Overrated Team: C9 KD, very strong team but with some big weaknesses
Underrated Team: Old Toronto Epsorts
Edit: fixed KDP to C9 KD
Edit2: Fixed fiked to fixed
Overrated players : Jehong (as a wholesome flex support, his Ana is undeniably top tier), Tviq, Sinatraa, Buds, iddqd, Mendo, Seagull (on Genji)
Underrated : Nevix, Zza, Kellar, Snizzlenose, Custa, Gods, Nesh, Hidan
Overrated teams : NiP during tank meta, NRG after rebuild, Misfits after shuffle
Underrated : RunAway, FaZe with TwoEasy and Forsak3n
Off the top of my head, I'm surely missing some.
It all depends on how you rate these teams and players, so I will try to put things in perspective.
Underrated team:
C9 EU (>= FNRGFE, Rogue, 123)
Yes, I know 123 4-0ed C9 EU, but I think that could be partly contributed to C9 EU not being in their best condition as they just found out that KDP will be replacing them in OWL. Also, mowzassa's aggressiveness works in their favor against weaker teams, but it often works against them when they are facing teams at similar or higher level. If they were just slightly more coordinated, they would've had better results.
Gigantti (only if you still think Misfits is better, I think Gigantti >= Misfits)
Currently I think Gigantti is at similar level with Misfits, but I think they have more versatility to adapt their comp if needed. So in the long run, I think Gigantti roaster will have better chance than Misfits.
Overrated team:
FaZe Clan (Gigantti, Misfits, RunAway >= FaZe)
Many people might disagree with this, but I think FaZe is a bit overrated. Don't get me wrong. I still think they are great, which is why I consistently said that they should be picked up by an OWL team. But they have some obvious weaknesses. Carpe is a beast when he is in form, but he's a bit inconsistent. ShaDowBurn is one of the best Genjis in the world, but not at top level with anything else. SPREE and Rawkus is good, but I don't think they are one of the top 10 players on their role.
Envision (Rogue > Envision = Immortals, Afreeca, MVP Space, ViCi Gaming, 1246)
I think they got their surprise victory agaisnt Rogue because Rogue was complacent. Rogue didn't seem to be prepared for the match at all. Envision has decent players with decent coordination, but nothing spectacular.
Underrated player:
Arhan (>=Fleta)
He is better Genji and Tracer than Fleta, and he is at similar level on all other DPS heroes (except Pharah).
YangX1aoLg (>=Sayaplayer, Carpe)
He is one of the main reasons why MY is so successful. His current form on hitscan heroes are better than Saya and Carpe imo.
GodsB (= Carpe)
He is better than Carpe on hitscan, but not as good on Tracer. I think he is one of the best DPS on hitscan role.
Profit (Logix => Profit > Snillo, Davin)
His Tracer is almost as good as Logix
Overrated player:
Bdosin
He is the weak link in C9 Kongdoo. Everyone in C9-KD plays so aggresively and that is why C9-KD often completely destroys the teams that are weaker than them. But for the aggressive dive to work against similarly good teams, they need massive healing from their supports. But instead, Bdosin takes aggresive positions to get additional kills. If C9-KD has supports like chipshajen or Neko who focuses more on healing, C9-KD will undoubtely be one of the best teams in the OWL.
Overrated Player - Mickie (In my eyes hes a 1 trick DVA player which is falling out of Meta, its why Seagull has been picked up wither you agreed with him being picked up or not)
Underrated Player - Emong - Someone pick this dude up!
Overrated Team - Lunatic Hai (Best Supports in the game and a good off tank role in Zunba, But there has been a lack of flexibility recently in there team towards the meta shift. Currently I wouldn't have them Top 3 in world, in which people would probably disagree with me! Behind Envy, GC Busan and Team Giganitti/Misfits for me.
UnderRated Team - Miraculous Youngsters - Up and coming Team! Should of beat Lunatic Hai recently and choked at being 2-0 up! But they'll learn from the experience.
I would've agreed with you about Lunatic Hai prior to Fleta and Munchikin addition. But now, I think they are a lot more flexible. It was just their DPS that wasn't flexible, but Fleta can pretty much play anything, and Munchikin can play any hitscan really well. I didn't watch a lot of Munchikin's game before, so I will still have to see whether he can play like yesterday consistently. But if he can, I would probably pick Lunatic Hai as #1 team now.
Lunatic Hai > C9-Kongdoo, EnVyUs, LW Blue > GC Busan, Miraculous Youngster > RunAway, Gigantti, Misfits >= FaZe
This is how I think top 10 in the world is now. I excluded NRG because I think it's unfair to include a team which I have not seen a single match from.
Yea fair point, Fleta looking a good mix into the squad. Its a wait and see how things shape upI I'd like to see a rematch with Lunatic Hais current Team vs GC Busan :) Wouldnt have C9 Kongdoo as 2nd, I think MY woulda beat them in the Final of the Seoul Cup if they got there. Kongdoos support line doesnt look great.
Overrated players: Miro, Whoru, Sinatraa, Xqc, iddqd, Mendo, Danteh, CoolMatt69, Muma, Grimreality, Tviq, Flow3r, Harbleu, Kruise, Boombox, Kyb
Underrated players: Leave, YangX1aoLg, Creed, Zhufanjun, Jiqiren, Lateyoung, Profit, Hooreg, Gesture, Hagopeun, Woohyal, Closer, Agilities, Knoxxx, Zunba, Mano
Underrated team: MY, wouldn't be surprised if they composed of most of the Shanghai team
Overrated team: C9KD, possibly the best DPS duo in the world but Void has been a no show lately - Fissure is pretty good and the supports are also good. I'm not saying they're bad but not as good as everyone thinks.
Underrated player: Fate, I think he's still the best Winston player in NA - I've theory crafted that his struggles come down to some sort of personal issue and/or a coaching issue. Nesh, he's actually insane and would really love to see him in an OWL roster if not a Contenders Season 2 roster. Snizzlenose the ultimate Roadhog main (he's prob not underrated but I think he's neat)
Overrated player: iddqd, hasn't had an impressive performance in over a year. Harbleu, good Hog player but his Zarya is average and I'm not sure why people fight so hard to prove how good it is - he keeps high energy sometimes but his gravs are some of the worst I've seen and bubble management is also awful
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