Sweden replaces Reinforce with snillo for World Cup

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That's just made it a lot harder for the UK. Having said that, hope we batter them now to give Reinforce some justice.

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Will be rooting for UK for sure in this matchup.

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I know that maybe it's for the better of the roster, and now they might perform even better at the World Cup. However, despite this, I only feel disgust towards this decision. It's completely unfair to suddenly remove someone from the roster, especially since Reinforce worked so hard to help them reach Blizzcon and had an undeniable passion in represneting his home country. I'm truly, truly disappointed.

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I agree that it really sucks for Reinforce, and I feel for the guy. It's obvious he really cared about this and would have given his best.

As for it being unfair it would seem the squad decided to treat the same way they would treat an actual team, and we know roster changes are a normal thing when the team thinks it could perform better.

So I also feel very disappointed that he won't be there, but I disagree that it's unfair given their apparent goal.

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If Meza's not here, [*]

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And winning OWC doesn't even really mean anything. It's just for bragging rights. Now UK needs to wipe the floor with Sweden.

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To you maybe, but apparently it means something to them, and truth be told that's all that matters.

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Every national competition is about bragging rights, showing the rest of the world that you are the best. Why do you think athletes compete at the Olympics? For the money?

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Never going to happen bro. ;D

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Kind of embarrassed to have Misfits represent my area in OWL, considering 2/3 of the committee members are from Misfits and 4/6 players are from Misfits, this is going to be bad for Misfit's overall image and their fans, it's just not cool to do, it really doesn't send the right message, i mean sure, Sweden might do slightly better in the OWC, but its just kind of disappointing, Reinforce worked for that team and he did his best, you could tell he was very passionate about it, it's not possible to be on team Sweden's side of this situation, Reinforce worked hard and deserved to be in the team, and he got cheated out of it, it's cold, and for Misfits, it's not something a player would want to associate themselves with, it gets worse concidering how long Tviq and Reinforce have know eachother, this whole situation leaves a bad taste in your mouth if you're a Misfits fan, i certainly know I'll be rooting for Giganitti in the Contenders Season 1 Playoffs.

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Agreed...but 123 is my team!

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Reinforce hasn't been competing and it feels like Blizzard allowed for rooster swaps before Blizzcon because of this reason. Meta changes happens, some people get cold and some get hot and Blizzard wants the best teams to compete, with that said the best Swedish team has Cocco on it but still, the team they are now sending are all going to the contender playoffs, they are all playing and playing very well.

People complained that Sweden wasn't looking good at their qualifier and now that they are doing something about it people get upset? I get why Reinforce would want to go to Blizzard and it might be unfair but the team should to what ever they can, within the rules, to win.

With all that said having multiple players from the same team deciding things like this might not be a good idea in the future, maybe only one player from one org.

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Same could be said for Realzx and Roolf for example. By the time Blizzcon hits, they wouldn't have competed for at least a few months. Sure Reinforce's case is different, there are a couple other equal if not better options, but still, you stand by your friends no matter what imo, especially in a tight ecosystem as OW is as of now.
Options are there but they don't have to go with them. It comes down to a choice at the end.

I'm not even a big fan of Reinforce, but the guy was there from the start of the competition, it is scummy what they did to him in this instance. Completely agree with ThisOldDog.
Also, I like Tvique but this 'the decision does not come lightly it fucking sucks personally' is pure bullshit honestly.

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blizzard should have locked the roster after qualifiers but hey this hoes ain't loyal
feeling sorry for reinforce but he will be there to cast eitherway i guess

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Rooting for UK to mop the floor with them. Want them to face Canada in the semi finals as well.

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Been rooting for team UK since the beginning

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TviQ the Snake.

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Is Sweden unaware that Cocco is from their country?

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well since they had already CWoosH i think they needed a dps and snillo is a pretty sick dps player.

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I actually feel quite bad for Reinforce,thats actually another "snake bite" on his back y his ex team mates

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thats a dick move

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Snake sssss

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what are the rules in terms of replacing players for OWC?

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I am wondering about the same question actually. I think it would be fair only if other teams are allowed to swap players too. I mean June was too early to tell which players would be the strongest in November. For example, China would be much stronger with Lateyoung and creed instead of mg and 5King.

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The fact is that team rosters should have been locked right after the votings for national teams,what is happening now is just lame tbh.

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right? undermines the process of having a committee and picking players, qualifications with those players, why waste your time going through that? And might as well put a stream team together, then swap them out last minute so other nations don't know who you're bringing/type of strats a team can be strong at etc.

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We've known for a very long time that rosters would be unlocked for Blizzcon so there's nothing surprising here. I can fully understand the sentiments of people when it comes down to Reinforce but what I don't get is the outrage and the now questioning of a long established rule set.

As Admirable mentioned all teams can make swaps, Mangachu was talking about it as everyone was questioning his position on team Canada and it makes sense to allow them to make adjustments in case players became unavailable, or available in some cases.

Again, I think it really is unfortunate for Reinforce as a person since I really like the guy and I actually think he's a great tank. However, if their goal is to give themselves the best chance of winning and they feel like this is what's best for the team I don't think we call this move...whatever it's been called in this thread or elsewhere.

This could also be a result of the decision being driven by players, some that have played with him for a long time but from the team's standpoint I think they have reason to justify it, regardless of personal bias.

That being said I'm Canadian so I was always going to root for team UK, but if this is what people are basing who they're now rooting for on I think it's also being unfair towards the rest of the squad and the actual intentions behind the change.

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Wow I’m so mad at Sweden for making roster changes to increase their chance at winning I’ve never been so disappointed

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I just hope other sports doesn't follow... What would it look like if football team started to reason in the same way..

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they do...

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I guess you could say Reinforce got... Denied

Like Jolson :candle:

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It's been known for some time that rosters could be changed before BlizzCon. I think Mangachu mentioned it pre Katowice?

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I don't think anybody here argues the fact that he could be replaced, it's more that he actually got replaced. Adding Snillo in my eyes is an upgrade to the team, but the guy gets cut from his team, is left LFT a few months before OWL and now gets this taken away too.
OWWC is way more serious this time around, but it still is a showing competition. Unless he did something worth cutting, the guy earned his spot fair and square imo.

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In my opinion that's a misconception, afaik none of the spots are guaranteed on any team, and I believe he was chosen first and foremost because he was part of Misfits. No doubt they would have wanted to send the whole squad had their results not been so lackluster at the time. With their latest roster changes and the success they've had with them it makes sense for them to want to emulate that as much as possible.

Again I want to reiterate that I'm not in favor of the decision, but I understand it and in the end I can't condemn them for trying to make the team stronger, even if they had to cut a great guy in the process.

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Would be nice to see Alicus make a new team with Reinforce as main tank, just to get revenge on misfits

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Just wanted to add a bit of perspective on this from KyKy and Flame's points of view. They talked about it on the Overview: The OverView #77 - Hot Tub (feat. KyKy), they talk about it from 46:47to 54:30

Here's a very short summary, feel free to listen to it as I think it's well worth it.

Flame thinks it's a scummy move, but justified due to the circumstances surrounding him, team Sweden and Misfits. Could possibly improve team morale as they were not the most fun group to be part of last year.
KyKy mentions that it makes sense since you'd replicate the current Misfits roles. Roster locks for Blizzcon were on Sept 1st and playing the group stage never guaranteed your participation afterwards.