Dogman/123 OWL Optic?

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From his twitter description seems like he had found an owl team.
The optic manager said few time ago that they already purchased two players and this weeks they will sign another 3/4 players.....Dogman was without a team last week....also he retwitted this
https://twitter.com/OpTicGaming/status/912788598944157698

Edit:other optic rumors about 123 ( maybe more realistic than Dogman one) https://imgur.com/ZIXFE5s

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He's definitely shone through as a strong player with OWL potential, so it would be good to see him picked up. Optic would make sense as a new organisation needing to build a roster from scratch

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Yep! Others rumor put him in EnvyUs s://clips.twitch.tv/AssiduousOriginalSkunkSoonerLater anyway we will se good thing!

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I heard it's Envyus

https://clips.twitch.tv/AssiduousOriginalSkunkSoonerLater

There was another KyKy related leak too.

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He has denied that on twitter however, and I think also on stream maybe? He's a good player, but I can't imagine why you'd ever have him start over Chips, unless Chips was physically unable to play. I could see him as a sub on EnVy, but no more than that realistically.

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I mean you wouldn't start him over Chips ever. Dogman is a pretty good analytical player and he's got a huge pool. He used to be a shutdown dps player for awhile and he has consistently improved which is a good sign. Good depth on the bench.

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Why are people still taking this NV Dogman 'leak' seriously? Do you really think Effect would be dumb enough to show one of their OWL signings on stream just to compare hero heights? Really!? On top of the fact that NV has literally no reason to pick up Dogman. He's just not on their level, and plays nothing they need. Besides Dogman has already said he is not on NV.

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poi98

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https://imgur.com/ZIXFE5s

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should get mistake back then, snillo and mistake on dps could be a ridicilous combo

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Don't they both play Tracer mostly though? I feel like Finnsi flexing to Soldier and Haffi flexing to Genji has worked pretty good since snillo is doing so well on Tracer. I would prefer getting another really good hitscan and/or projectile DPS than another Tracer player.

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For russia mistakes played soldier... but overall you made a good point...

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His soldier wasn't great so that's also something to note.

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poi98

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Totaly agreed with that! i think with this new comp they had more flexibility....i really hoping mistakes can find out an OWL cause he is a beast but i think 123 is better as now...maybe they can take on a projectile dps so hafficool if needed can do both flex or hitscan

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seems like 123 is going for optic...(just rumors)

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snillo played soldier for old 123 tho,they could hypothetically do their current comp with mistakes and hafficool

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http://thesco.re/2ytwTdZ

Nope. Not an established roster.

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Yea i heard of that...also bock1 is actually a doctor so i dont think he is gonna leave his full time job for OWL...
so maybe they are gonna taking up only a piece of the team and without bock1 dogman make sense ( even if i think is not an OWL player but he is a really good option as sub)

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But the article also says that they are not building an all star roaster by bringing in star players one by one. So maybe they are building from a chunk of 123? I would like to see snillo, Tonic, and bock1 in it if that is the case. But from what comments are saying about bock1, I guess it is not likely to see bock1 being part of the team.

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OpTic hafficool PogChamp

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beside his zen i never really seen dogman as a pro player tbh, so if he really ends up in an OWL team while many other great and way better supports dont i will be kinda shocked. but hey thats my opinion
for the 123 pickup i would be super happy

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poi98

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Agreed 100%...maybe he is gonna have a sort of sub/analyst position...he is pretty good with things like that

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dogman said he wasn't trialling for optic - and said that he probably won't get a trial because he thinks flame doesn't think he's a good player :(

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Tbh flame isn't even that wrong here dogman is for sure no OWL material

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I think a lot of you are wrong about his (dogman) level, but I am sure you have done tons of research and know countless other NA support players better than him also. I know people love to jump on bandwagons of hate and that's fine, I hope Dogman gets a chance to prove you all wrong in OWL.

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Given who's on the flex support market, he's not on top of the list in my eyes. Roolf, Shake, uNKOE and maybe Rawkus (if FaZe doesn't get a picked up) are still a level above him in my eyes. No hate here, just an honest opinion. But I do understand your point about blind skepticism.
Chemistry also plays a big role in forming a team so who knows, plus the way he tweeted about some news he'll announce soon sounded like a good thing.

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I think being right or wrong is besides the point here. In all likelihood the opinions formed here don't have the depth required to truly make an educated judgment on the relative strength of the player so it's all guesswork and personal opinions. Bandwagons on either side will be a thing, considering how you can only take one of two sides so your "research" comment is out of place since I can only assume you would have done a similar amount of research and broad spectrum analysis.

For what it's worth I like the guy but he didn't stand out to me compared to other available supports so while I'm not sure where he'll end up I don't think it's impossible for him to be picked up.

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I totally understand opinions are what they are and everyone can view it however they want subjectively. I just think people make these statements from watching contenders matches where they literally show a support player for 4 seconds per match, so unless people are paying attention to kill feeds and observing the background and death/heal rates of the rest of the team I am not sure how people form these opinions of support players one way or other other from watching contenders or other events.

My statements come from watching his stream and paying close attention to him. He stood out to me early on and became one of my favorite players so I watch him closely and I think he is a standout in NA supports.

I just think with a minimum of 24 support slots available in OWL season 1 I think he should be one of them, at least a backup.

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Yeah I get you my main point was that others may see your view in the same way you see theirs. Understanding another person's thought process is hard enough and made almost impossible over the internet, so you not being able to comprehend how people come to the conclusions they do is normal.

All that matters is that opinions differ so I don't think you should be concerned when people disagree with you, though you're free to defend your point of view...without trying to dismiss another's.

In any case, he might very well get in, and it is unfortunate that not all of the pros we like will, with just over a month left for the signing period.

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OH I could care less. The research comment was mainly just being snarky with people. I understand how opinions work and my opinion is those people are wrong. They are entitled to believe he sucks and I am entitled to believe he doesn't i.e. they are wrong. I don't think that I was at any time dismissing their opinion. I upvoted every single person saying he wasn't good and never personally attacked anyone.

When it comes to ANY of these OWL signings, the proof will be in the pudding once we actually see games and teams perform.

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I dont say he is bad...he is improving a lot as player but i think he need some more ability to became worthy of an OWL holder spot.....i think a season of sub in the OWL is what he need to make the improvement for this

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100 % optic is not signing 123

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Hey! Just wanted to dispel rumors by saying I'm not going to either Optic or nV. Both are great teams though!

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Have you found a team though?

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No still in trial phases

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Good luck then :)

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it's hard to say whether a support is standout or not when they're stuck on a team with mykl..

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It's amazing how well streaming and doing interviews help boost your public opinion. Personally I would take (in no particular order) Hidan, Custa, Roolf, Shake, uNKOE, Rawkus, Bani, Fahzix, Boombox, or some Koreans over him. There is a lot of good support talent still out there.

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Remember in contenders season 0 when Kungarna was actually a good team?
Dogman was nutty