Team EnVyUs to reprise their roles from Season 1 and 2 and return to APEX

So who do you guys think will be their new 7th? I'm assuming it will be korean

not sure if I can trust a harsha report anymore :thinking:

ROOTING FOR MY BOY TOXIN WINZ IN TEAM ROGUE

LETS GO BAGUET

Have they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.

It doesn't really address my question, harsha.

Ah, that's interesting. Although my question was have they even played since the last one. I'd rather see a team invited who have shown strong form, if we're only having two Western teams.

Do you know if Rogue and Envy will still be participating in overwatch rumble?

#12, well I saw someone (Reinforce?) saying that unsigned European teams would be among the top in NA, but we just don't have any ability to know that. All we have are results, and results say that Rogue and Selfless are clearly very good. We have one tournament of results from Europe, which isn't enough to judge.

If they're going for a LAN-proven team, I'd prefer Faze to Envy. How often will we get to see Mike and Shadowburn on LAN ping before Blizzard's league?

Am I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?

Envy probably got an auto invite because they made playoffs of last APEX. All the other teams that made playoffs have secured spots in APEX so it makes sense to do the same with western teams.

I don't think the relegation/promotion stuff applies to invited non-Korean teams. Most likely they were going to invite NRG until Seagull left, and now they're using this story as cover.

#20 They could invite anyone once they decided NRG weren't up to it. Invitations don't "reactivate", unless Korean society works even more differently than I imagine.

Do you have a source for that?

i have numerous

surprised after NV said they will not go, citing a break, being away from home for so long etc etc etc
hope theres some bonus $$$ for the NV boys to go back to KR for another 3 months. GL to them.

Harsha, if you're keeping your sources anonymous then the story isn't worth much. Why did Immortals turn it down?

Anyone else sad East Wind isn't going to apex :(

u mean third season? in first sentence? LUL

Did NRG turn down the offer or was it revoked? Immortals turned it down to rest players, apparently. Then it goes to NRG, who drop Seagull, and what happened next? Does anyone here know?

If I have this straight:
-rogue and envy invited
-envy decline
-imt invited?
-imt decline
-nrg invited
-nrg yes
-envy yes so nrg no

Maybe I just struggle with that because from a British point of view it looks rude.

NRG did not officially accept. They were invited but they did not accept afaik. Envy accepted their invitation first so they get to go ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Wonder why that wasn't mentioned when "Sources close to the OGN's production staff and both Rogue and NRG indicate that the two teams have received offers to attend APEX Season 3". That's multiple sources hiding a key piece of information.

NRG must have said "We're not sure" then APEX said "Envy have changed their mind, shall we just use them?" and NRG said "Okay."

I don't buy NRG saying "Waaiiit..." and APEX saying "Too slow!"

But then why was it leaked/released that NRG were invited but not Immortals until Immortals had declined?

And do we know why Envy changed their minds?

Also this line from the previous article: "Trips to APEX are seen as a rare chance that must be earned." - someone thought Envy earned one of the top two spots? Do Koreans not watch NA Overwatch?

Reminder: Apex can invite whatever team for whatever reason they want.

Yes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)

https://twitter.com/TeamEnVyUs/status/854529055508574209

its official

fraac at this rate you'll lose your third of a nerd star to harsha. is this the decision you want to make?

Let me entertain. Quotes don't make anything closer to journalism. Anonymous / protected sources are common practice in journalism. Your notepad can be the source and it's perfectly fine as long as it's reasonably backed up. You don't have to disclose your source if your source doesn't want to be known.

I think Harsha has made it very clear in his articles the nature of his sources which he does not directly name.

caring about nV in 2017
who else wants to see blank at apex?

#43 An article without quotes that supports the organisation isn't journalism, it's a press release. Someone is manipulating harsha into uncritically issuing press releases. This one appears not to be true. Once you decline an offer, and it gets offered to two other people, you have to be re-offered it before you can accept.

"In reality, Team EnVyUs is attending APEX entirely of their own volition."

That's very bold. Prove it.

Whether people like it or not, EnVyUs is the most qualified team to participate from EU/NA. As much as I like East Wind, Selfless, and Immortals, I still think they're a bit away from competing with the likes of LH, Runaway, the Kongdoo's and Meta Athena.

Not exactly hyped about this since EnVyUs has begun to bore me with how they haven't adapted to a changing meta.

#46 I dont disagree with you that they are qualified but as it stands its been months since we've seen them play an na team. For all we know selfless/rogue/immortals are leagues ahead of them but we may never find out because they're always going to be in Korea.

He meant in contrast to "leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded". But why should we believe him without any quotes? "In reality..." oh okay, thanks.

He meant in contrast to "leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded". But why should we believe him without any quotes? "In reality..." oh okay, thanks.

"leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded" doesn't need quotes because it is a broad statement that can be observed. With people on these forums, Twitch chat, and Twitter saying things like "OGN on suicide watch", jokingly saying "x team deserves to go to Korea" because they beat NRG, and other such things, people were at the very least implying it should be rescinded. It's safe to say that if you think something should be the case, you're going to speculate that the very same thing might be the case, much like you're currently doing. It shouldn't matter if he has a direct source for this, what matters is if he has a source for Envy deciding to go, and he does, albeit anonymous. While anonymous sources aren't preferred, you have to respect your source if they want to be anonymous or else they'll never share this information again. Obviously this source can be trusted, as within 24 hours Envy tweeted they were going to participate in season 3. The fact that he references the source and doesn't directly quote them doesn't make a difference because a quote can be fabricated as easily as a source. The only thing harsha claimed to be factually true was that Envy is going to Korea, the rest is background and presumptions, which should be clear to an informed and critically thinking reader.

You're saying that Envy can't just accept an invite they've already declined because it goes against your values and how you believe invites should work. OGN doesn't have to share those values and follow that line of thinking. By Korean standards, finishing top 8 in APEX makes a team qualified for the next one, which Envy has done twice and NRG failed to do their only time attending APEX. You're fighting the writing and article as a whole because you don't agree with the contents of it, and it's a losing battle.

Think it through: Envy can tell Apex they changed their mind, and then either NRG can say they aren't bothered (declining the invite = news) or Apex can tell NRG they're preferring Envy for some reason (=news). However you cut it there's a story not being told here. The suggestion that NRG - the most popular team in the game - were offered a place that could be taken away if Envy changed their minds is clearly bollocks.

What made Envy change their minds? Let's get some quotes, let's get the story.

Taimou told everyone watching his stream on multiple occasions that they had received an invite to go but weren't going to do it because they needed a rest (as this article says) but it seems they've had discussions since then (as this article says) and have changed their minds about that. (as this article says)

I'm not sure what proof you need, or why you think you deserve to know the source fraac. Are you saying harsha is lying?

I'm saying harsha is most likely talking bollocks. It just doesn't add up. You're welcome to find him more credible than I do.

lol

So yes you think he's lying. Okay bro, he made it all up and his source wasn't credible :^)

konr, I'll give you a million pounds, or a scout spot in Prem, if you understand what the disagreement here is about. It's in #51: there are three options, and harsha is saying, without evidence, that the least plausible of those three options is what happened.

Reminder: Apex can invite whatever team for whatever reason they want.

This.

bandwagons aside
fraac's point here is completely valid