Players who will change team next season of OWL

I just wanted to discuss the title with you guys, imho:

London Spitfire: they already got rid off the surplus before. Maybe they could trade one between Nus or Closer since their values increased a lot thanks to the championship.

Philadelphia Fusion: thanks to the second place the players have a big market value. First of all i think we will not seen Joelmeister as a player for Philly and honestly i dont seen him as a player too, but i will not be surprised if he become an analyst/assistant coach or if he stay as a player for an expansion team. Dayfly is the other one who didnt showed up a lot this season, but he did his job as sub pretty well, also his market power is very low outside koreans roster so he could both ends up as sub for Philly or for a korean/asian roster ( i will not be surprised if Philly release him and he ends up on a Contenders team but while they wait for Alarm i dont think he is a bad sub). Now the real players who will have a huge price on the market will be: SDB,Fragi,Snillo,Hotba. SDB is a top player and he is pretty much a waste of talent on the bench, plus a lot of teams would love to have him as holder, he will probably be the hottest player on the martket. I am not sure if Philly will change SDB or Snillo but imho they will do that : Zacharee can cover both roles and imho Philly will follow FU path tying to get more americans on the team. Snillo could be a big add for a team like Houston or Dallas ( Effect situation, but only if they get rid of an Hitscan). I dont think both SDB and Snillo will leave, but if Snillo leave i think is not impossible to think about a Fragi trade, a Rein like him would have a good value on the market and a bunch of team could need it, and if they follow FU path BeastHalo will be likely enter the team. In the end i think Philly could make a choice and decide to trade one between Hotba and Poko( and i dont think they would trade Poko), even if this will probably not happens i think a lot of teams could take Hotba over their offtanks ( Dallas, maybe Glad if they trade Void, etc..). But in the end Philly could even stack with the actual team with really just a player change or even none thanks to the friendship that the team seems has built.

New York Excelsior: The core will probably be the same. I can see Anamo and Janus traded ( i dont think both will be traded tho). I think they will sign Flow3r and then they will trade either him or Pine ( but like 90% Nanohana). Nenne could follow the same path or stay as a two-way player.

Los Angeles Valiant: the main roster will probably stay the same. Important changes could come from the sub: Bunny has lose his big market value due to the tracer "nerf" but a team like Houston or Dallas could take him to solve their tracer problems. All the other sub could be change or released for a reason or another, probaly the other player with some real market besides Bunny will be Izayaki. i can see Finnsi and Numlocked staying as sub, KSF too as he is young and he can improve. I think Verbo could be a reallhy interesting add for an American expasion teams thaks to his experiences.

Boston Uprising: one between Neko and Aimgod will leave and he will probably be the latter, his adding seemed more like for trading him for S2 more than a real add. Kalios is a good sub and since i dont think he will be take as holder from another team ( even if Florida/Shanghai/asian expansion team could use him) he will probably stay. I can see Avast taking a coaching/analyst job while Snow will probably be a sub. Kellex will probably stay but maybe the team could think about taking another main support( i dont think so tho).

Los Angeles Gladiators: After all i dont see Fissure Staying. He will probably be replaced by Panker but i could see some strange move like Fragi in ( aggressive style and finnish friendship).Not sure if IRemiix will stay but he proved to be solid, i think we will see him in the next OWL season. With Fissure going Void may go too, while Bishu will probably stay imho. I also see some cleaning in the dps zone with Asher and/or Silk on the leaving list. While Asher is probably more likely to go Silk could remain thanks to his flexibility.

Houston Outlaws: If Mendo will stay again in the team as a player pls fire Flame. Too much good talent to waste an OWL spot with a streamer who doesnt want to play. He is a good streamer but he is not a pro-player. Clockwork is another player we will probably not see next season. Besides Mendo they need to get a real tracer main and decide if Linkrz will be hitscan or projectile. I can see Jake remaining as analyst or as a sub, i dont really see Arnhan but i dont think they will trade him while Tairong is the coach. I dont think they will trade any tanks but in case FCT is more likely than Muma to leave. I dont see Boink still in OWL and probably Bani will be moved as permanent sub.

Seoul Dynasty: player i dont see in the team next year: Kuki, Weekend, Gido, Xepher, Gambler. They will probably have tobi and miro staying as sub, they will also get a better Zen than Jehong. Probably mostly of the leavers will be relegated in Contenders at least for the begininning of OWL S2 i dont see a big market for them except maybe Gambler and Weekend as sub.

San Francisco Shock: they are in a strange position. Like they could change no one or all the team. I see Nevix traded to Florida or an expansion team. Someone between Danteh ( who has a big market in America) , Babybay and iddqd will probably be traded. While iddqd is the most likely i think he wil stay since is the most complete hitscan/tracer on the roster even if he his a worst tracer than Danteh and a worst hitscan than Babybay. I see Dhak as an assistan coach, Nomy will stay as sub or he will be out of the league.

Dallas Fuel: I honestly see Effect traded maybe to Seoul, he did not have a positive impact on the team even when he played and i think also for his best he need to relax or join a full korean roster( while probably he would be better followed by a western team who could help him with a psychologist not really used by koreans for what i understood). They wil probably trade an hitscan between Taimou and Akm and with a Paris slot the choice is easy. Cocco will probably leave in some ways and i dont really know about my boy Chips.

Florida Mayhem: Even if all the people praised Sayaplayer he actually destroyed the FM momentum. They had some good results then Saya join and all come back as before or even worse. People say trade Saya cause Saya doesnt deserve that, i say trade Saya cause he destroyed your season. Besides him is difficult think who will leave. Probably Cwoosh or Zappis but i think they will stay as sub thanks to their flexibilty, maybe Logix. I can see Zebbo taking an analyst role and FM taking another Zen players using Zuppeh for Ana. Shax Could be the help they need.I also dont see AwesomeGuy stay with the team.

Shanghai Dragons: management said they will stay with most of the players. Imho they need a total reset starting with Diya. Stars players are not always the better thing for a team. SHD remain a mess tho.

What do you guys think? Who will leave wich team? Lets start some nice discussion :D

Florida Mayhem: Even if all the people praised Sayaplayer he actually destroyed the FM momentum. They had some good results then Saya join and all come back as before or even worse. People say trade Saya cause Saya doesnt deserve that, i say trade Saya cause he destroyed your season.

Damn Poi and I was sure to be the only one, or one of the few thinking this, and not because Saya is a bad player, on the contrary he's amazing, but they were starting to work well with Logix (who isn't worse than Saya, and more of a team player if you ask me).

San Francisco Shock: [cut]....While iddqd is the most likely i think he wil stay since is the most complete hitscan/tracer on the roster even if he his a worst tracer than Danteh and a worst hitscan than Babybay.

I really don't see iddqd staying, unless there's some weird clause in his contract (which is what I think happened for this first season), they'll probably get rid of him, problem is that after 12 months of no competitive play, who will ever pick him up as a player?

I think it's pretty clear from Fissure's behavior that he won't be staying on Gladiators whether it's his decision or not.

wentaway [#2]

Florida Mayhem: Even if all the people praised Sayaplayer he actually destroyed the FM momentum. They had some good results then Saya join and all come back as before or even worse. People say trade Saya cause Saya doesnt deserve that, i say trade Saya cause he destroyed your season.

Damn Poi and I was sure to be the only one, or one of the few thinking this, and not because Saya is a bad player, on the contrary he's amazing, but they were starting to work well with Logix (who isn't worse than Saya, and more of a team player if you ask me).

San Francisco Shock: [cut]....While iddqd is the most likely i think he wil stay since is the most complete hitscan/tracer on the roster even if he his a worst tracer than Danteh and a worst hitscan than Babybay.

I really don't see iddqd staying, unless there's some weird clause in his contract (which is what I think happened for this first season), they'll probably get rid of him, problem is that after 12 months of no competitive play, who will ever pick him up as a player?

Yeah this is what I picked up on most from this whole list - their dependence on the Saya carry really fucked up their mechanics as a team.

Also, dope list Poi!!!! I think there are some really good points on here. SF and Dallas are the two teams that I'm most interested in offseason wise, as they really have the potential to go big with some of the right moves next season. I think SF should push really hard to pick up a quality main tank like FCT or something, and Dallas needs to sort out their DPS situation with a truly god flex player. I can't and I don't want to see Seagull switch off the DVA since he was so god damn good at it towards the end of the season.

What should be taken into account is how Koreans want their Korean friends in their team (can't really blame them btw), if a team has a Korean coach (a good one, with actual power inside the team) and at least 1 good Korean player, chances are very high some of the noon Korean players will have to leave (or sit on the bench) to allow the arrival of the other Koreans.

wentaway [#5]

What should be taken into account is how Koreans want their Korean friends in their team (can't really blame them btw), if a team has a Korean coach (a good one, with actual power inside the team) and at least 1 good Korean player, chances are very high some of the noon Korean players will have to leave (or sit on the bench) to allow the arrival of the other Koreans.

looking forward to seeing some homogeneous teams finally

I only have on question: When can teams actually do trades? In October while signing window? Or is it possible like they talk with other teams lets say in August and say "we extend X player contract, if you extend that Y player contract and we trade in October". Is it possible to deal like that? Like they both could just release players, but expansion teams might sign them so just wondering.

Seems pretty much on point, what possibly happens with some players.

NYXL will be interesting though since, if they bring Flower(Nanohana) and/or Nenne into OWL they really need to drop/trade/sell someone from SBB, Libero or Pine.

If there's about 130 players in the League at the moment I was thinking one day that maybe about 20 gets dropped, about 20 changes teams and rest obviously stay with their teams. Although when there's additional 6 teams with possible 12 man rosters coming up. But then again there's not going to be any western player playing in Asia (China/Korea/Pacific) based teams

I will only speak of Fusion because they're my favorite team.

Neither HOTBA nor Poko will leave. They both have their specialties, they both perform well, and they're both loved by the fans. I see no reason to make them leave.

Joemeister will likely move to a background spot: coach, analyst, or something. Dayfly will probably stay, or be traded.

Fragi might be transferred, but if he does, it's certainly going to be to an OWL team, I doubt he falls back to Contenders. He certainly is OWL level. Even then, I think he's still an asset to the team, and I'm sure they can fit him in some strategies where Sado wouldn't particularly fit.

Snillo being transferred doesn't sound like a surrealist idea, but I think they can make great use of his Soldier if needed. He's also a pretty good McCree, so if the meta shifts to double hitscan again (which, given the hitscan buff, might happen), they can run Carpesnillo again. Their duo is super deadly, so it would be a shame to break it. Overall I think they'll keep Snillo.

ShaDowBurn... As much as I love him and dislike EQO, his very particular playstyle doesn't really blend in with the rest of the team. It's a really tough situation. He might be transferred, but I would hate it. I hope they can make him fit somehow.

The rest will stay, 100%.

As for recruiting FU players, I doubt they'll do that a lot. They'll probably just use FU as a talent greenhouse and help players grow until they sell them, and only recruit them if they need someone in that role (ie. Alarm, but when they have Boombox, he might just be a benchwarmer).

To put it in a nutshell, my fangirl heart think and hope they'll stay together for a lot longer, because they look like a really united family and have shown how far they can go by sticking together when the world was against them.

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Also,

decide if Linkrz will be hitscan or projectile

PEOPLE SHOULD STOP PUTTING PLAYERS IN SUCH DETERMINED AND UNFLEXIBLE ROLES THANKS
LiNkzr is too good of a Genji and Widow to stop him from being that. He's the central point of the Outlaws besides their tank line and Rawkus, and as Gigantti said, "just let LiNkzr do his things, and it works".

Also I doubt Seoul will get rid of Gambler.

Most of this seems spot on except iddqd somehow staying. Mechanically he's great but so are Danteh/Babybay/Sinatraa, so I don't see a reason why he'd ever get playtime over his "smarter" teammates.

Sayabi [#8]

I will only speak of Fusion because they're my favorite team.

Neither HOTBA nor Poko will leave. They both have their specialties, they both perform well, and they're both loved by the fans. I see no reason to make them leave.

Joemeister will likely move to a background spot: coach, analyst, or something. Dayfly will probably stay, or be traded.

Fragi might be transferred, but if he does, it's certainly going to be to an OWL team, I doubt he falls back to Contenders. He certainly is OWL level. Even then, I think he's still an asset to the team, and I'm sure they can fit him in some strategies where Sado wouldn't particularly fit.

Snillo being transferred doesn't sound like a surrealist idea, but I think they can make great use of his Soldier if needed. He's also a pretty good McCree, so if the meta shifts to double hitscan again (which, given the hitscan buff, might happen), they can run Carpesnillo again. Their duo is super deadly, so it would be a shame to break it. Overall I think they'll keep Snillo.

ShaDowBurn... As much as I love him and dislike EQO, his very particular playstyle doesn't really blend in with the rest of the team. It's a really tough situation. He might be transferred, but I would hate it. I hope they can make him fit somehow.

The rest will stay, 100%.

As for recruiting FU players, I doubt they'll do that a lot. They'll probably just use FU as a talent greenhouse and help players grow until they sell them, and only recruit them if they need someone in that role (ie. Alarm, but when they have Boombox, he might just be a benchwarmer).

To put it in a nutshell, my fangirl heart think and hope they'll stay together for a lot longer, because they look like a really united family and have shown how far they can go by sticking together when the world was against them.

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Also,

decide if Linkrz will be hitscan or projectile

PEOPLE SHOULD STOP PUTTING PLAYERS IN SUCH DETERMINED AND UNFLEXIBLE ROLES THANKS
LiNkzr is too good of a Genji and Widow to stop him from being that. He's the central point of the Outlaws besides their tank line and Rawkus, and as Gigantti said, "just let LiNkzr do his things, and it works".

Also I doubt Seoul will get rid of Gambler.

Only players I could see Fusion taking from their Academy are Elk or Zacharee for next season, but not sure which players they would release/trade then. Alarm and Whoru are not eligible yet for next season so that makes it easy decision. Beasthalo and Bernar are probably fine tanks (I don't really know their playstyle too well), but I just don't see them replacing SADO, Hotba or Poko.

Fragi, Snillo or Shadowburn getting traded might be the case. Dayfly and Joemeister might get to do something else too. But it's hard to know, if Joemeister was signed as bench player for in house scrims. But that also goes for other players we don't really know who is "fine" being just a sub, which gets to play maybe 5 matches a season.

But then again, if you bring in Elk or Zacharee would they be just subs? Could they get to be starter somewhere else? Are they starter quality players? Would they be fine being just a subs or would they want to be starters?

Frozello [#7]

I only have on question: When can teams actually do trades? In October while signing window? Or is it possible like they talk with other teams lets say in August and say "we extend X player contract, if you extend that Y player contract and we trade in October". Is it possible to deal like that? Like they both could just release players, but expansion teams might sign them so just wondering.

Seems pretty much on point, what possibly happens with some players.

NYXL will be interesting though since, if they bring Flower(Nanohana) and/or Nenne into OWL they really need to drop/trade/sell someone from SBB, Libero or Pine.

If there's about 130 players in the League at the moment I was thinking one day that maybe about 20 gets dropped, about 20 changes teams and rest obviously stay with their teams. Although when there's additional 6 teams with possible 12 man rosters coming up. But then again there's not going to be any western player playing in Asia (China/Korea/Pacific) based teams

August 1: Signing window opens. Player contracts can be officially extended, players can be traded, and members of the Contenders teams can be signed.

September 9th: Contracts from Season 1 end

September 9-October 7: Overwatch expansion teams can sign any free agents

October 8: Free agent window opens for all teams

with effect staying with aero right now and aero making sure he's getting the help he needs, i feel like dallas will hold onto him for next season. hoping he cn come back stronger than ever :D

vyye [#9]

Most of this seems spot on except iddqd somehow staying. Mechanically he's great but so are Danteh/Babybay/Sinatraa, so I don't see a reason why he'd ever get playtime over his "smarter" teammates.

I have to say though he has a decent point about iddqd being the most complete hitscan. Neither sinatraa or danteh have a very good widow or mcree as far as I know. And babybay while he has very good mid longrange hitscan, doesn't have a good tracer or genji like sinatraa and danteh do. Iddqd is just good at all hitscan roles. But I also tend to think that he will be let go. Just saying I get his point.

Sayabi [#8]

I will only speak of Fusion because they're my favorite team.

Neither HOTBA nor Poko will leave. They both have their specialties, they both perform well, and they're both loved by the fans. I see no reason to make them leave.

Joemeister will likely move to a background spot: coach, analyst, or something. Dayfly will probably stay, or be traded.

Fragi might be transferred, but if he does, it's certainly going to be to an OWL team, I doubt he falls back to Contenders. He certainly is OWL level. Even then, I think he's still an asset to the team, and I'm sure they can fit him in some strategies where Sado wouldn't particularly fit.

Snillo being transferred doesn't sound like a surrealist idea, but I think they can make great use of his Soldier if needed. He's also a pretty good McCree, so if the meta shifts to double hitscan again (which, given the hitscan buff, might happen), they can run Carpesnillo again. Their duo is super deadly, so it would be a shame to break it. Overall I think they'll keep Snillo.

ShaDowBurn... As much as I love him and dislike EQO, his very particular playstyle doesn't really blend in with the rest of the team. It's a really tough situation. He might be transferred, but I would hate it. I hope they can make him fit somehow.

The rest will stay, 100%.

As for recruiting FU players, I doubt they'll do that a lot. They'll probably just use FU as a talent greenhouse and help players grow until they sell them, and only recruit them if they need someone in that role (ie. Alarm, but when they have Boombox, he might just be a benchwarmer).

To put it in a nutshell, my fangirl heart think and hope they'll stay together for a lot longer, because they look like a really united family and have shown how far they can go by sticking together when the world was against them.

---

Also,

decide if Linkrz will be hitscan or projectile

PEOPLE SHOULD STOP PUTTING PLAYERS IN SUCH DETERMINED AND UNFLEXIBLE ROLES THANKS
LiNkzr is too good of a Genji and Widow to stop him from being that. He's the central point of the Outlaws besides their tank line and Rawkus, and as Gigantti said, "just let LiNkzr do his things, and it works".

Also I doubt Seoul will get rid of Gambler.

About Linkrz imho that is what killed Houston. I love flexible players and he is that but for me they need to run Linkrz as Hitscan only when they have to play double hitscan. One of Houston problem was the fact they didnt have a clearly dps lineup, Linkrz is a great hitscan Mccree/Widow like but he is not a top tier tracer, playing him as hitscan with a projectile bring you to have less flexibility( that is a sort of no sense situation cause Linkrz is a flexgod). For that i think Houston should consider to take Linkrz as Projectile main and Hitscan only when paired with another hitscan. All of this are personal opinion tho and i consider the fact that Houston will not change much. If they decide to rebuild then i can totaly agree with you but for now this is what i think :D

vyye [#9]

Most of this seems spot on except iddqd somehow staying. Mechanically he's great but so are Danteh/Babybay/Sinatraa, so I don't see a reason why he'd ever get playtime over his "smarter" teammates.

I remember Brad saying in an interwiew that iddqd is the most complete hitscan they have, so he is maybe a better fit as a sub cause he let you prepared to different situations. Also he has no market value while Danteh ,specially, but also Babybay have it. I will not be surprised if they just release him but i will not be surprised either if they stay with him.
Ps: i know Brad is no more the coach but his comments have a value.

As an Outlaws fan I wasn't really impressed with Rawkus most of the season. He was either slightly above average or just average, which isn't good enough to compete in the upper echelon of teams. Hopefully his performance on Team USA can show that he is really capable of being one of the premier Western flex supports, because there were quite a number of people that weren't happy with him being picked over Sleepy. Boink will likely remain a sub or be made a two-way player since it's pretty evident based on how much stage time bani got this season which of the two main supports is preferred.

The tank line needs no fixings. SPREE/coolmatt and Muma/FCTFCTN are well rounded enough IMO that no changes need to be made here. If anything, FCTFCTN might end up being designated as a two-way player so he can get actual playtime as opposed to just being a scrim player but if he were to go to GGEA he'd be competing with smurf for the starting MT spot.

But of course the biggest fish that Houston needs to fry before making themselves a true upper-echelon team is their 2nd (and/or 3rd) DPS. LiNKzr for obvious reasons will remain a staple for them, but if Houston doesn't develop ArHaN, Jake, or clockwork in the offseason to be up to par with a top DPS combo like So0n/Agilities, SBB/Libero, Profit/birdring, they will continue to struggle. Jake and ArHaN have potential to compliment LiNKzr finely, but I'm not so sure about clockwork. He's got amazing mechanics, but the limited time that he was given to prove himself doesn't really show that he's worthwhile of getting regular starting time. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I expect him to be designated as a two-way player.

As much as I like Ado, Fearless and Geguri I wish SHD would go full chinese, but if they want to keep it international they must have their reasons

Babouh [#17]

As much as I like Ado, Fearless and Geguri I wish SHD would go full chinese, but if they want to keep it international they must have their reasons

I think they want to win, and considering there's now officially a second Chinese team, I have the feeling this second one will pick up the best free agents?