Overwatch League announces disciplinary action for several players

wow id be pretty mad if i were fined 1000 dollars for saying faggot tbh

Mundi [#1]

wow id be pretty mad if i were fined 1000 dollars for saying faggot tbh

You can easily avoid that by not using that word to begin with.

Best part of this whole thing are all the edgelords xQc caters to spamming @owl chat right now. They don't even realize the end result will be Twitch banning that cancerous idiot.

EDIT: I'll also add that Blizzard is a joke. They'll 1-hr time out people memeing in chat posting harmless stuff like emote pyramids, and yet there's thousands of racist idiots spamming TriHard right now and nothing being done.

Ammo [#3]

Best part of this whole thing are all the edgelords xQc caters to spamming @owl chat right now. They don't even realize the end result will be Twitch banning that cancerous idiot.

EDIT: I'll also add that Blizzard is a joke. They'll 1-hr time out people memeing in chat posting harmless stuff like emote pyramids, and yet there's thousands of racist idiots spamming TriHard right now and nothing being done.

You’re insane if you think there’s an army of racists out there. Using a word or an emote doesn’t make you a racist. You take that accusation so lightly you child.

Pretty disappointing that xQc gets such a great opportunity despite having a bad reputation and not only blows it once, but twice and will more than likely never be given such an opportunity again. So many great tank players would have killed a man to be given the chance to fill the role that DF desperately needs.

i get it's a widely accepted twitch meme but if you're going out of your way to identify a black guy every time they show up on screen.. clearly some racist connotations. don't necessarily think there were ill intentions with xqc or any of those spamming it, but if you don't understand the issue blizzard would have with it you're kind of an idiot.

Malvo [#4]

You’re insane if you think there’s an army of racists out there. Using a word or an emote doesn’t make you a racist. You take that accusation so lightly you child.

If you think business partners and investors wouldn't have an issue with this, I don't know what to tell you. Argue about the meaning of emotes all you want, the issue here isn't what people on Twitch think, it's how it looks when it gets reported on ESPN or Kotaku tomorrow. And that looks hella racist.

twerp [#6]

i get it's a widely accepted twitch meme but if you're going out of your way to identify a black guy every time they show up on screen.. clearly some racist connotations. don't necessarily think there were ill intentions with xqc or any of those spamming it, but if you don't understand the issue blizzard would have with it you're kind of an idiot.

The people trying to defend this as not racist sound a lot like the people who want to argue about why they can't say the n-word. Whether their intent is racist or not, they know exactly what they're doing.

Mundi [#1]

wow id be pretty mad if i were fined 1000 dollars for saying faggot tbh

I'd be madder if I got fined the same amount for flipping the bird. Oh wait, that's the same as using an anti-gay slur according to Blizzard

This is so stupid. fine and suspend xqc for putting tryhard7 in an owl chat is insane. Tryhard is not racist, the context is extremely important to the meaning of emotes since emotes are neither word or hieroglyphs. Emotes are basically the embodiment of feelings and actions. People may use emotes along with racist text but it was also used with other context to show other emotions. I feel like xqc was thrown to the wolves for something because of his past actions rather than what he actually did. Blizzard and the OWL is insane for their requirements for personal comments. Also giving tairong a warning for a meme of something 60 years ago is nuts. like was the bombing too soon and was anyone actually offended by a tweet about ww2?

Zata [#10]

This is so stupid. fine and suspend xqc for putting tryhard7 in an owl chat is insane. Tryhard is not racist, the context is extremely important to the meaning of emotes since emotes are neither word or hieroglyphs. Emotes are basically the embodiment of feelings and actions. People may use emotes along with racist text but it was also used with other context to show other emotions. I feel like xqc was thrown to the wolves for something because of his past actions rather than what he actually did. Blizzard and the OWL is insane for their requirements for personal comments. Also giving tairong a warning for a meme of something 60 years ago is nuts. like was the bombing too soon and was anyone actually offended by a tweet about ww2?

The word recidivist (repeater offender if you prefer) is the key for XQC, that's why his fine's bigger, and makes sense, on the other hand it might probablky give the final push to a player that was pondering stepping out of the league?

I don't know what happened with Silkthread, but if it was similar to what Taimou said, well there shouldn't be double standard, they punished XQC they have to punish also other players.

Tairong, well the guy made up for his, but shoud have receive more than warning imo, he's not a player he's one of the guys that should keep said player in place, they have to be the example for the players who are usually younger.

Zata [#10]

This is so stupid. fine and suspend xqc for putting tryhard7 in an owl chat is insane. Tryhard is not racist, the context is extremely important to the meaning of emotes since emotes are neither word or hieroglyphs. Emotes are basically the embodiment of feelings and actions. People may use emotes along with racist text but it was also used with other context to show other emotions. I feel like xqc was thrown to the wolves for something because of his past actions rather than what he actually did. Blizzard and the OWL is insane for their requirements for personal comments. Also giving tairong a warning for a meme of something 60 years ago is nuts. like was the bombing too soon and was anyone actually offended by a tweet about ww2?

It’s not just about the emote, it’s also his comments made towards the casters. Not to mention he’s already been fined and suspended for inappropriate comments he’s made before so you’d figure that he’d know better by now. They also released the new code of conduct for the OWL players as well in late February so you have to hold the players to a higher standard. I honestly think it’s foolish trying to justify xQc’s actions. They’re getting paid quite a bit of money to be apart of the league not to mention how great of an opportunity it is to be apart of it. If some one isn’t able to follow the proper code of conduct to be apart of the league then they’re fully justified in punishing some one, especially one that’s been a repeat offender.

wentaway [#11]

The word recidivist (repeater offender if you prefer) is the key for XQC, that's why his fine's bigger, and makes sense, on the other hand it might probablky give the final push to a player that was pondering stepping out of the league?

I don't know what happened with Silkthread, but if it was similar to what Taimou said, well there shouldn't be double standard, they punished XQC they have to punish also other players.

Tairong, well the guy made up for his, but shoud have receive more than warning imo, he's not a player he's one of the guys that should keep said player in place, they have to be the example for the players who are usually younger.

Tairong already donated the same amount as the "starting" fine of 1k$ directly after his situation happened. So i would say he stands on the same 1st level as taimou and silkthread now where xqc seems to have reached the 3rd level.

bigjojo04 [#12]

It’s not just about the emote, it’s also his comments made towards the casters. Not to mention he’s already been fined and suspended for inappropriate comments he’s made before so you’d figure that he’d know better by now. They also released the new code of conduct for the OWL players as well in late February so you have to hold the players to a higher standard. I honestly think it’s foolish trying to justify xQc’s actions. They’re getting paid quite a bit of money to be apart of the league not to mention how great of an opportunity it is to be apart of it. If some one isn’t able to follow the proper code of conduct to be apart of the league then they’re fully justified in punishing some one, especially one that’s been a repeat offender.

the biggest thing is the racist emote since it is so inflammatory. The comments towards the casters were bad (from what i saw he was calling them cancer and retards) but i don't think it justifies a suspension for banter on a steam. The racist emote was the real reason for the suspension and fine even though tryhard is not inherently racist. I believe all punishment should be issued in a vacuum to show no favoritism or have a system to punish repeat offenders. (I haven't read the new code of conduct for OWL players so it might be in there.)

"They’re getting paid quite a bit of money to be apart of the league" really? I come from the CSGO community so 50k-150k+ salary is not that much compared to other Esports, most tier 1 csgo pros get 10k-25k+ a month (120k-300k+ a year) in salary plus streaming $ and anywhere from 50% to 90% of tournament winnings.

Honestly I think the OWL is too strict on their players to fine them for personal comments on twitter and on their personal streams. Punishing players is fair if what they say/do is wrong and affect the OWL/ORG's Brand but i don't see how tryhard 7 is racist and that is a HUGE accusation to make towards someone without evidence. I think the ORG should discipline the players rather than the league since the players are paid by the org and represent the org before the league. Plus if DF suspended QXC it would show the orgs values rather than the League's which would make sense of a company disciplining an employee vs an parent company disciplining a contractor of a different entity. Punishing players for what they do in game should be the OWL's problem but out of game should be the orgs issue. Plus should XQC be fined and suspended for the banter (if they want to say the racist thing they first have to prove it) to the caster? If it is a combination of both his recent actions and his past actions (which he has paid for) I think punishing him for that sets a precedent which blizzard may have a hard time following in the future. They suspended him for the Muma situation but only fine Tiamou although it was similar and both their first offence.

IDk if OWL thinks it is better or more structured than other Esports but it seems like it is stifling the players personalities for a more PC environment. The biggest thread in CSGO, LOL, and DOTA 2 is player rivalries and banter (konfig in CSGO, Doublelift in LOL, Navi v Alliance in Dota) For me that is what keeps me involved and follow the Esport.

This is my first Esport where the the Devs are super involved (I followed SC2 and CSGO) and from what I have seen so far I am not a fan. It seems like Blizzard are more worried about their and the leagues image rather than creating cool and interesting rivalries. (DF and HO Rivalry is from COD and other rivalries are from tradition sports rivalries rather creating real rivalries like Soul D and the best western team) I may have fallen off my original point to other things that erk me about OWL but my main point was that i think the biggest thing is calling someone racist with no proof. That is a serious accusation which can follow him throughout his career and personal life. I think they should be 100% clear on what they consider racist since an "emote in a racially disparaging manner on the league's stream and social media," is really vague and doesn't even say what emote or the context of how it was used which is very important.

Zata [#10]

This is so stupid. fine and suspend xqc for putting tryhard7 in an owl chat is insane. Tryhard is not racist, the context is extremely important to the meaning of emotes since emotes are neither word or hieroglyphs. Emotes are basically the embodiment of feelings and actions. People may use emotes along with racist text but it was also used with other context to show other emotions. I feel like xqc was thrown to the wolves for something because of his past actions rather than what he actually did. Blizzard and the OWL is insane for their requirements for personal comments. Also giving tairong a warning for a meme of something 60 years ago is nuts. like was the bombing too soon and was anyone actually offended by a tweet about ww2?

What other contexts? When a black guy is on the screen, when a streamer says "gimme gimme" or "yoink". 95% of the time, the emote is being used with some racist ignorance behind it. I agree that the emote is note racist, but most of the idiots who use it give it that racist connotation.

Ammo [#7]

If you think business partners and investors wouldn't have an issue with this, I don't know what to tell you. Argue about the meaning of emotes all you want, the issue here isn't what people on Twitch think, it's how it looks when it gets reported on ESPN or Kotaku tomorrow. And that looks hella racist.

It's the business partners' fault you fucking retard. Did they really think this wouldn't happen?

Ammo [#7]

If you think business partners and investors wouldn't have an issue with this, I don't know what to tell you. Argue about the meaning of emotes all you want, the issue here isn't what people on Twitch think, it's how it looks when it gets reported on ESPN or Kotaku tomorrow. And that looks hella racist.

Does this really bother you so much to be flipping out on he internet? Do you not have other problems in life you should be thinking about. If this offends you so much than life is gonna kick you in the nuts my dude. Put things into perspective.. you’re not winning a moral superiority contest by doing this.

Zata [#14]

the biggest thing is the racist emote since it is so inflammatory. The comments towards the casters were bad (from what i saw he was calling them cancer and retards) but i don't think it justifies a suspension for banter on a steam. The racist emote was the real reason for the suspension and fine even though tryhard is not inherently racist. I believe all punishment should be issued in a vacuum to show no favoritism or have a system to punish repeat offenders. (I haven't read the new code of conduct for OWL players so it might be in there.)

"They’re getting paid quite a bit of money to be apart of the league" really? I come from the CSGO community so 50k-150k+ salary is not that much compared to other Esports, most tier 1 csgo pros get 10k-25k+ a month (120k-300k+ a year) in salary plus streaming $ and anywhere from 50% to 90% of tournament winnings.

Honestly I think the OWL is too strict on their players to fine them for personal comments on twitter and on their personal streams. Punishing players is fair if what they say/do is wrong and affect the OWL/ORG's Brand but i don't see how tryhard 7 is racist and that is a HUGE accusation to make towards someone without evidence. I think the ORG should discipline the players rather than the league since the players are paid by the org and represent the org before the league. Plus if DF suspended QXC it would show the orgs values rather than the League's which would make sense of a company disciplining an employee vs an parent company disciplining a contractor of a different entity. Punishing players for what they do in game should be the OWL's problem but out of game should be the orgs issue. Plus should XQC be fined and suspended for the banter (if they want to say the racist thing they first have to prove it) to the caster? If it is a combination of both his recent actions and his past actions (which he has paid for) I think punishing him for that sets a precedent which blizzard may have a hard time following in the future. They suspended him for the Muma situation but only fine Tiamou although it was similar and both their first offence.

IDk if OWL thinks it is better or more structured than other Esports but it seems like it is stifling the players personalities for a more PC environment. The biggest thread in CSGO, LOL, and DOTA 2 is player rivalries and banter (konfig in CSGO, Doublelift in LOL, Navi v Alliance in Dota) For me that is what keeps me involved and follow the Esport.

This is my first Esport where the the Devs are super involved (I followed SC2 and CSGO) and from what I have seen so far I am not a fan. It seems like Blizzard are more worried about their and the leagues image rather than creating cool and interesting rivalries. (DF and HO Rivalry is from COD and other rivalries are from tradition sports rivalries rather creating real rivalries like Soul D and the best western team) I may have fallen off my original point to other things that erk me about OWL but my main point was that i think the biggest thing is calling someone racist with no proof. That is a serious accusation which can follow him throughout his career and personal life. I think they should be 100% clear on what they consider racist since an "emote in a racially disparaging manner on the league's stream and social media," is really vague and doesn't even say what emote or the context of how it was used which is very important.

Amen. 10/10 post.

Zata [#14]

the biggest thing is the racist emote since it is so inflammatory. The comments towards the casters were bad (from what i saw he was calling them cancer and retards) but i don't think it justifies a suspension for banter on a steam. The racist emote was the real reason for the suspension and fine even though tryhard is not inherently racist. I believe all punishment should be issued in a vacuum to show no favoritism or have a system to punish repeat offenders. (I haven't read the new code of conduct for OWL players so it might be in there.)

"They’re getting paid quite a bit of money to be apart of the league" really? I come from the CSGO community so 50k-150k+ salary is not that much compared to other Esports, most tier 1 csgo pros get 10k-25k+ a month (120k-300k+ a year) in salary plus streaming $ and anywhere from 50% to 90% of tournament winnings.

Honestly I think the OWL is too strict on their players to fine them for personal comments on twitter and on their personal streams. Punishing players is fair if what they say/do is wrong and affect the OWL/ORG's Brand but i don't see how tryhard 7 is racist and that is a HUGE accusation to make towards someone without evidence. I think the ORG should discipline the players rather than the league since the players are paid by the org and represent the org before the league. Plus if DF suspended QXC it would show the orgs values rather than the League's which would make sense of a company disciplining an employee vs an parent company disciplining a contractor of a different entity. Punishing players for what they do in game should be the OWL's problem but out of game should be the orgs issue. Plus should XQC be fined and suspended for the banter (if they want to say the racist thing they first have to prove it) to the caster? If it is a combination of both his recent actions and his past actions (which he has paid for) I think punishing him for that sets a precedent which blizzard may have a hard time following in the future. They suspended him for the Muma situation but only fine Tiamou although it was similar and both their first offence.

IDk if OWL thinks it is better or more structured than other Esports but it seems like it is stifling the players personalities for a more PC environment. The biggest thread in CSGO, LOL, and DOTA 2 is player rivalries and banter (konfig in CSGO, Doublelift in LOL, Navi v Alliance in Dota) For me that is what keeps me involved and follow the Esport.

This is my first Esport where the the Devs are super involved (I followed SC2 and CSGO) and from what I have seen so far I am not a fan. It seems like Blizzard are more worried about their and the leagues image rather than creating cool and interesting rivalries. (DF and HO Rivalry is from COD and other rivalries are from tradition sports rivalries rather creating real rivalries like Soul D and the best western team) I may have fallen off my original point to other things that erk me about OWL but my main point was that i think the biggest thing is calling someone racist with no proof. That is a serious accusation which can follow him throughout his career and personal life. I think they should be 100% clear on what they consider racist since an "emote in a racially disparaging manner on the league's stream and social media," is really vague and doesn't even say what emote or the context of how it was used which is very important.

I’m fairly certainly any big company has social media policies of their own that would punish their employees if they took to social media to make defamatory comments against that company. Hell when i worked for in n out burger if they found you making bad comments about the company on social media they would take actions against you and that’s exactly what’s happening here. Think about how much money the orgs had to put up just to be apart of OWL and the players are getting insurance provided by the orgs as well so while you may think 50k+ may not be a lot of money, for playing video games and getting insurance I’d say it’s a great opportunity. Not to mention the team that wins the first season wins a million dollars, plus the bonuses for how well you finish during the regular season. There’s definitely a lot of money going into OWL.

As for creating rivalries, xQc is going against the people that are helping bring the league to everyone. What kind of cool and interesting rivalry is that? You want rivalries where other players call each by derogatory terms? Doesn’t sound like a cool and interesting rivalry to me.

bigjojo04 [#19]

I’m fairly certainly any big company has social media policies of their own that would punish their employees if they took to social media to make defamatory comments against that company. Hell when i worked for in n out burger if they found you making bad comments about the company on social media they would take actions against you and that’s exactly what’s happening here. Think about how much money the orgs had to put up just to be apart of OWL and the players are getting insurance provided by the orgs as well so while you may think 50k+ may not be a lot of money, for playing video games and getting insurance I’d say it’s a great opportunity. Not to mention the team that wins the first season wins a million dollars, plus the bonuses for how well you finish during the regular season. There’s definitely a lot of money going into OWL.

As for creating rivalries, xQc is going against the people that are helping bring the league to everyone. What kind of cool and interesting rivalry is that? You want rivalries where other players call each by derogatory terms? Doesn’t sound like a cool and interesting rivalry to me.

I like your final paragraph jojo.

Yeah it would 110% be cool if say xQc and Muma had a big rivalry alongside Dallas and Houston, but it's pointless if xQc is banned all the time and Dallas are in constant disarray because of that. You can't let the things that xQc and others such as Taimou have done just slip by to make the league more interesting. Let's get the rivalry going for sure, both entities don't even need to like each other or say nice things, just cut out all the dirty insults and the derogatory terms.

Some of the comments on this post legitimately define why members of this community consistently trouble and disappoint me.

Ez bans with emotes

wentaway [#11]

The word recidivist (repeater offender if you prefer) is the key for XQC, that's why his fine's bigger, and makes sense, on the other hand it might probablky give the final push to a player that was pondering stepping out of the league?

I don't know what happened with Silkthread, but if it was similar to what Taimou said, well there shouldn't be double standard, they punished XQC they have to punish also other players.

Tairong, well the guy made up for his, but shoud have receive more than warning imo, he's not a player he's one of the guys that should keep said player in place, they have to be the example for the players who are usually younger.

Got beef against TaiRong huh?

Ammo [#3]

Best part of this whole thing are all the edgelords xQc caters to spamming @owl chat right now. They don't even realize the end result will be Twitch banning that cancerous idiot.

EDIT: I'll also add that Blizzard is a joke. They'll 1-hr time out people memeing in chat posting harmless stuff like emote pyramids, and yet there's thousands of racist idiots spamming TriHard right now and nothing being done.

WORD

foxes [#5]

Pretty disappointing that xQc gets such a great opportunity despite having a bad reputation and not only blows it once, but twice and will more than likely never be given such an opportunity again. So many great tank players would have killed a man to be given the chance to fill the role that DF desperately needs.

XqC and the whole Dallas Fuel right now are kind of a sad story. I think 80% of his twitch chat is literally just trying to make him more mentally unstable. The egocentricity of the whole thing is massive. Teams and players that do well and maintain a good frame of mind usually are able to separate themselves from the egos that society makes for them. For XqC and the fuel as well society made very strong definitions of what they should be and either not living up to it (or in XqC's case, letting it break you down mentally) will take its toll. If this is really the top tier of overwatch then there is no room to be thinking about what other people think about you or how you are not living up to their expectations. It's known that overwatch draws in a number of fairly vocal idiots. IMO the best thing they could do for the game is just aggressively mute and ban toxic people and make it known that it is not permitted here. Over time it will get better and stuff like this will happen less. The community has a ton of intelligent and great people as well. It's just that it's easier to notice the idiots and when you perceive only idiots around you you start to play into it.

Zata [#14]

the biggest thing is the racist emote since it is so inflammatory. The comments towards the casters were bad (from what i saw he was calling them cancer and retards) but i don't think it justifies a suspension for banter on a steam. The racist emote was the real reason for the suspension and fine even though tryhard is not inherently racist. I believe all punishment should be issued in a vacuum to show no favoritism or have a system to punish repeat offenders. (I haven't read the new code of conduct for OWL players so it might be in there.)

"They’re getting paid quite a bit of money to be apart of the league" really? I come from the CSGO community so 50k-150k+ salary is not that much compared to other Esports, most tier 1 csgo pros get 10k-25k+ a month (120k-300k+ a year) in salary plus streaming $ and anywhere from 50% to 90% of tournament winnings.

Honestly I think the OWL is too strict on their players to fine them for personal comments on twitter and on their personal streams. Punishing players is fair if what they say/do is wrong and affect the OWL/ORG's Brand but i don't see how tryhard 7 is racist and that is a HUGE accusation to make towards someone without evidence. I think the ORG should discipline the players rather than the league since the players are paid by the org and represent the org before the league. Plus if DF suspended QXC it would show the orgs values rather than the League's which would make sense of a company disciplining an employee vs an parent company disciplining a contractor of a different entity. Punishing players for what they do in game should be the OWL's problem but out of game should be the orgs issue. Plus should XQC be fined and suspended for the banter (if they want to say the racist thing they first have to prove it) to the caster? If it is a combination of both his recent actions and his past actions (which he has paid for) I think punishing him for that sets a precedent which blizzard may have a hard time following in the future. They suspended him for the Muma situation but only fine Tiamou although it was similar and both their first offence.

IDk if OWL thinks it is better or more structured than other Esports but it seems like it is stifling the players personalities for a more PC environment. The biggest thread in CSGO, LOL, and DOTA 2 is player rivalries and banter (konfig in CSGO, Doublelift in LOL, Navi v Alliance in Dota) For me that is what keeps me involved and follow the Esport.

This is my first Esport where the the Devs are super involved (I followed SC2 and CSGO) and from what I have seen so far I am not a fan. It seems like Blizzard are more worried about their and the leagues image rather than creating cool and interesting rivalries. (DF and HO Rivalry is from COD and other rivalries are from tradition sports rivalries rather creating real rivalries like Soul D and the best western team) I may have fallen off my original point to other things that erk me about OWL but my main point was that i think the biggest thing is calling someone racist with no proof. That is a serious accusation which can follow him throughout his career and personal life. I think they should be 100% clear on what they consider racist since an "emote in a racially disparaging manner on the league's stream and social media," is really vague and doesn't even say what emote or the context of how it was used which is very important.

Interesting post with lot of good points, but one that hits the spot, your last paragraph.

OWL is not a traditional esport league, it's a product of a company who prouds itself of being family friendly.
Even its actual rules, were it a league there should be promotions and relegations, instead orgs buy their slots in and once in, they are in for good and they paid a hefty sum to get in (price seems would be even higher for new teams).

For how thin the difference is it's still there, these are not teams of players sponsored by orgs, these are orgs who pay to represent their brands.

So you have a big family friendly company who gets money from other companies (some even bigger on their own) to showcase their brands, thisb is why they are (way too) strict on some rules imo.

Mundi [#1]

wow id be pretty mad if i were fined 1000 dollars for saying faggot tbh

sammála

Ammo [#8]

The people trying to defend this as not racist sound a lot like the people who want to argue about why they can't say the n-word. Whether their intent is racist or not, they know exactly what they're doing.

Not trying too hard to convince you (if the downvotes couldn't I don't know what could) but look into TerrenceM's story if you want to know what racism looks like.

Trihard 7 is a salute, xQc does it all the time when he joins chat (it has been proven) Trihard 7 twitch chat spam is twitch chat trying to show blizzard that they screwed up fining a guy for a salute (hence the 4000$ in the screeshot) nothing from this screenshot shows racist users.

As much as I hate xQc as a streamer I don't think he deserves the suspension + fine for saluting people when entering twitch chat, Malik being on screen or not

You could also read harsha's and Thorin's tweets, as well as Trihex's clip on the matter (the dude from the Trihard emote)

Pixelfish [#21]

Some of the comments on this post legitimately define why members of this community consistently trouble and disappoint me.

As Murtaugh put it, "I'm too old for this shit."

Hafficool [#27]

sammála

takk fyrir stuðninginn ég tók minus frag bombið fyrir liðið

Haha blizzard trying so hard to be super prof, but in the end they just make themselves look like clowns.
other sport athletes beat their wife, been to prison, sold drugs and never got punished for their past or any social media post.

Ammo [#8]

The people trying to defend this as not racist sound a lot like the people who want to argue about why they can't say the n-word. Whether their intent is racist or not, they know exactly what they're doing.

So, for someone non-american, what is racist there?

Mundi [#30]

takk fyrir stuðninginn ég tók minus frag bombið fyrir liðið

You took the downfraga because you missed the point.