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Fully agree, he was made an example but if what he did was breaking the rules they should all receive equivalent warning shots.
The problem is that the community will probably rally behind those actions since Blizzard isn't seen as doing enough to encourage competitive minded play.
We need a long term solution, not just these band-aids that the general public both demands and denounces at the same time.
I actually like xQc, his passion for the game has grown on me for sure even if I don't agree with some of the things he tends to do. And hell, he's a fellow French Canadian so bonus points.
However, I think you're glossing over the fact that he made those reports before the match started, with nothing more than "fuck you" in the description, so regardless of the Moonmoon situation what he did was immature and in the context of the rules, worthy of a ban.
In the broader scheme of things I don't think 72 hours was the correct response, 24 would have served just fine as a warning, but the actual ban itself was warranted imo.
Their win rate is of no concern to me. It's never been about how many of their games they manage to win, imo. It's about the refusal to work with the rest of the team when your one tricking isn't working. One could easily achieve a higher win rate by just using the hero in situations where he can thrive and limiting his use on objectively weaker situations.
Whether it's because you're being countered hard by an enemy hero or because the map is really unfavorable, it's not fair to the rest of the team that this one person refuses to try their best to help counter whatever is holding the team back.
I'll say this much, I always give one tricks a fair chance, but I also fully expect them to realize when it's not working and take the initiative in switching. also note that them switching off and being even less effective because they never play anything else tends to compounds the issue, so it becomes a catch-22.
The only realistic solution is to not only focus your skill on one hero and preferably have 2-3 that you can play at an appropriate level. I'm pretty sure that's what the game was designed around even if the current system doesn't reflect that.
Not sure why Dafran is in the conversation, did he say he wanted to come back to competitive Overwatch?
Otherwise - Davin
Main != OTP.
In this system they'd probably queue as Healer so while not impossible I think they'd be less likely to be matched with another Mercy main or Mercy OTP
On the subject of the bans, I'm firmly in the camp that believe that they were all deserved if you only look at the core of the game and what it's built around: Hero switching and team cooperation. So in that very narrow mindset no matter how positive you are...you are in fact exhibiting poor teamwork if you decide to stick on that off meta pick that isn't working in a predictably disadvantageous situation.
Also note that these guys didn't just get reported a few times to get their bans. It means that they more than likely refused to switch much more often than the times they did.
Now back to reality, the current system in OW doesn't do a good job to actually encourage that preferred play style where people are mostly flexible and the rule are so vague that it's difficult to really know what's allowed and what's frowned upon. Personally I'm one to believe that you should have at least one viable character in each role though you'll probably have more in the role of your favorite character.
My main issue with one tricks is twofold:
Oh, and they make the game very unfun right from the get go when you see someone who looks like they're just not gonna want to even try working with the team, instead forcing the rest to confirm with hoe they want to play.
I think the system needs to change so that the community in general can be incentivised to value flexibility and that one tricking more obviously becomes it's own deterrent on top of them being able to more clearly state the rules. Reporting in those cases would be much more cut and dry and you'd 100% know what you're getting yourself into.
I don't often agree with the Your Overwatch team because I think they like to spice their YT vids up with a degree of fluff and buzz words but this video I more or less support: Overwatch: Role Queue (I changed the title because their original one was too click bait for me)
the tl;dr they're suggesting is 4 different role queues:
Flex would allow the harder to categorize heroes like Torb, Sym, Sombra while the other queues would not. you'd end up with a guaranteed 1-1-1 and 3 flex players that you hope would be able to flex based on the teams need. The goal here is that it would be easier to justify reporting a Torb/Sym one trick for refusing to cooperate with the team since they picked the flex role.
What I like about this is that you have the foundation of a solid group and the understanding that the flex roles would be willing to adjust to fit the composition that the team wants to go with. It's not perfect but it's probably an improvement to what we have now.
I found a clan on Guilded, where most of the members are around my SR and want to focus on playing Comp. We can usually get groups going and it's helped improve the quality of my games for sure.
The flags have usually represented the region/country the teams were based in and that hasn't really changed for OWL. Even though London and New York are fully Korean the teams still represent a UK and an American city respectively.
I can see where you're coming from but I'm actually OK with how they currently are. Hopefully we get more global in the coming years and have more flags to show off.
reporting people for the memes.
I don't think it's about it being kept secret. The cause will probably be released eventually, it usually is, so there's no need to try and pry into it at the moment. Knowing wouldn't change anything.
That depends on how contracts work and since NYXL can in no way be directly associated to a Contenders team I don't think it would be as fluid as what you suggest.
RiP Hulk, that thought alone should be sufficient, but feel free to provide support to his family through approved channels. Any additional prying is not needed.
Moira? Awesome
Ana Buff? Cool
Mercy nerf? YES. OH GOD YES!
Will much be looking forward to seeing how this new patch changes the landscape at all levels on the ladder.
The Mercy changes are the ones I'm most exited about. Heck it should even affect even in 4v4 DM!
Link here:
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/21427862/korean-overwatch-team-runaway-flowervin
The article is a good read and it breaks my heart to think that the ride could be over for these guys. Really feels like Runner and Flowervin built a family.
Also, feel free to add more details to the actual post, it helps frame conversation since it's difficult to know what you're talking about.
Are you asking if he's in OWL? AFAIK he's not, and imo there are stronger options available (Davin). Incidentally, I've heard nothing even remotely indicating that he'd be in.
That's a FeelsGoodMan ❤️
I would have agreed were it not for the brackets not being double elim. That finals was the only one to not have been competitive.
None that I know of, but it would have to be in the off season, and possibly be in some way part of the 5 tournaments each Orgs is allowed to run. I have no clue of what the logistics would be like but I think the Orgs themselves aren't allowed to participate in any competition w/o Blizzard's permission, as is standard in most sports leagues.
Good point, but do we even have western teams left that could compete effectively in Korean? I don't think they'd invite just any mix and realistically a super team would probably get picked apart by OWL orgs if they were to find enough success to be considered, imo.
Good point, but do we even have western teams left that could compete effectively in Korean? I don't think they'd invite just any mix and realistically a super team would probably get picked apart by OWL orgs if they were to find enough success to be considered, imo.
Pretty much expected considering how hard of a time these guys had and with Fleta moving on to bigger and better things they'd be left without their Omega carry.
This now makes a total of 7 teams that have dropped from APEX, so I'm wondering how they'll deal with filling the spots. There's a chance they might just take all of the challenger teams though NC Wolves dropped the FatCats (They could still compete under their old name) and CHG was dominated, and that still leaves one spot to fill. Ardeont could make a case for their re-entry into APEX but one wonders if they'd even want to leave OPC and the relatively easy success it brings them.
Lots of questions pertaining to the future of the most competitive tournament outside of OWL, really looking forward to seeing how this pans out.
I'm interested in seeing what OGN will do with the next APEX season. AFAIK 7 teams are out:
Now, do they have all 6 challenger teams qualify and bring in an extra...say Ardeont? Or do they reduce the amount of spots in the tournament for the upcoming season? This will probably end up creating some weaker groups again like with Meta Bellum and Rox Orcas but with teams like LH, Element Mystic and Seven, we should be in for some nice surprises again.
Roster is looking pretty good. Hoping they do some great things in the next season of APEX!
Actually, by the time Rogue got to APEX S3 the Korean Scene had already tried and pretty much discarded triple DPS dive in favor of D.Va, and for a while at that. It's one of the reasons they were able to handle Rogue relatively easily even though they were a great team.
Those also happened to be the future winner and runners-up of the tournament so that's another big factor.
One thing to note is that Pros of any region will eventually all end up using what would be considered the optimal meta with some variations so the notion that one region is "copying" another is a bit odd.
As far as I can see from watching EU/NA, CN and KR, it seems that KR is typically slower to adopt "new metas" if they're not forced to. One possibility is that they're unwilling to use it in tournament play until they're confident that they can be as effective as possible on them.
It's hard to say without access to scrim data on all regions simultaneously to see who is using what. The question of if they've ever come up with their own thing or if they've just been copying other regions is a bit of an odd one in and of itself since in the end it doesn't really matter.
Again, that's the whole point of making predictions. You're not predicting anything if you already have data confirming what you're trying to estimate.
Feel free to not participate if it's an issue for you though.
And a lot of analysts, casters and other people who can better see the league as a whole say that regions like China and NA/EU more often create new metas as they experiment to find what works and what doesn't.
Korea doesn't invent new metas as much as they practice them and find ways to both improve and counter them. Granted the speed at which they can used to something they've never seen before is scary so sometimes it might seems like they came up with it since they can just do it better than anyone else.
I think that's the point of making "predictions". They're made before we have actual game knowledge so by nature they'll be almost entirely based on personal opinion with some individual player performance sprinkled in here and there.
So, on paper, looking at each individual and their recent achievements, there's not much to go on, and they look subjectively weaker than say Seoul, Dallas or London. For me at least, this feeling is exasperated by the fact that some very good players are still available, some that I personally rate higher than ones they've picked.
Now, does this mean they would have been a better fit in the team? Not necessarily since I don't have the insider information to make that assessment, but the same goes for your view on how wrong people are for making judgement based on their points of view. I have no clue what you're basing your opinion on but I don't understand why it bothers you that others are doing the same.
The C9 meta transcends time, space and nationalities.
The Koreans haven't innovated metas as much as they've adopted and adapted what other regions have discovered. They figure them out and then simply know how to play them, and beat them, relatively better than the rest of the world.
So the way to beat them could in part be by innovating, but more importantly you need to play at a consistently high level to either match or outpace them and in general that's not something most western teams are used to doing.
OWL should help us remedy that by being exposed to their level of play on a more regular basis, and hopefully them not being in Korea doesn't adversely affect them or contribute to a dip in perceived skill.
Each OWL team can run up to 5 tournaments themselves but that would likely only happen during the off season so I don't know what the plan is for 3rd party, sub 10k tourneys that would run during OWL.
I think raising the Prize pool limit to 15k would probably do the scene some good and allow for more flexibility in online tournaments.
I guess we'll find out as thing unfold, but I really would like Blizz to do a better job nurturing the scene outside of OWL.
The only heroes I've seen him play are Hog and Winston, towards the end of Selfless. I don't know how proficient he isn't on anything else due to lack of data.
The OWWC (cause Overwatch World Cup gets long after a few times) format is subject to change. The next iteration may be as different from the 2nd as the 2nd was from the first so I wouldn't worry or focus on it. Contenders could see changes since we don't even know how team participation will be determined for Season 2.
I think tournament format should probably be less of a focus since things are relatively new and very subject to change, but the different tournament tiers I can think of would be these:
I don't know what Blizzard has in mind when it comes to the support structure for anything below OWL, but i'm hoping they can make it sustainable, at least from the tier 2 level.
Rest in peace big guy. One of the absolute best for all that he's done for the game, including bringing us the monster of a team that is EnvyUs.
Left us way too soon, hopefully his friends and family are getting all the support they need.
Rest in peace big guy. One of the absolute best for all that he's done for the game, including bringing us the monster of a team that is EnvyUs.
Left us way too soon, hopefully his friends and family are getting all the support they need.
The C9 organisation exists but they're free to use the actual C9 name if they did want to entertain having a Contenders Team. Not sure if it's something they'd want to do but it's an open possibility.
I'm not sure you're thinking about the correct people? Are you thinking of Libero? Because Recry's Soldier and McCree are far and above superior to Saya. Near AKM levels of good.
And as I mentioned Saya's main role is that of the Tracer player, and he's very good at it. Much more so than Recry.
Pretty much any game they've played. Saya is a Tracer first and foremost. Recry's Soldier/McCree are both league above, while his Tracer is honestly nowhere near Saya's.
APEX season 2 should have a healthy selection of matches for you to watch.
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Recry has the better Soldier/McCree and Saya has the better Tracer imo. Heck even Arhan's Tracer was arguably more impactful than Recry's, and that's kind of saying something.
Saya + Recry looks like a good duo. Also looks like they won't be running the Genji in favor of Soldier/Tracer. Wonder who will be able to snatch up IKD/Lucid, another solid support duo.
I'm not sure if they'd be able to remove players, since one year contracts, but maybe it could allow them to trade as well as sign?
NO. 50 DKP MINUS FOR THE BAD PUN. Still love you though <3.
This isn't a behind the scenes..but the fact that they acknowledge the meme is awesome:
Top 10 Anime Betrayal Of All Time! Overwatch World Cup - BlizzCon 2017
I actually think of him as being a top tier Genji...but that's pretty much it. His Soldier didn't impress me and I've never seen him on Lucio. I think he could be brought in as a Genji specialist and run in a variety of dive comps.
Otherwise I agree with you that his Genji alone may not be sufficient...I just think I might be able to make use of him for because of that one strength.
make a team for OWL out of free agents
He's not in OWL but he's also not a free agent. <3
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