Semmler

Now that we've had a few games to get settled in, what do you guys think of Semmler?

Personally I feel like his style isn't suited to Overwatch. For me his casting is slow, sometimes monotonous and not representative of the sometimes chaotic gameplay that we're watching. Countless hype moments have come and gone where Semmler has barely stirred from his slumber, where other casters would have added that special cherry on top of a fantastic play.

His partner Hex is doing a good job, but its almost like Semmler is holding him back too. I know it's cliche at this point but ZP anyone?

Let me know what you think, I'm curious to see what you guys have made of his performances so far. Don't get me wrong, Semmler is nowhere near as bad as Goldenboy, but I'd much rather have a different caster for the premier Overwatch competition.

I think he's good, im completely fine with his spot in owl, I agree on a bunch of your points, but he's kinda new to ow so im sure he'll get better as time goes on

-his voice is bad
-he lacks knowledge (and considering he lacked knowledge about cs go after years of casting it i dont think he will ever be good enough)
-something i seriously got fed up with in cs go, he is really repetitive, he says same things every single time he casts
-over hypes games, these games dont mean that much and he is building hype like it was the final of owl every time

I think he's probably brings the most fun compared to any other caster

i love how jumpy and serious he can get. It just gives thrills

Yeah Semmler was by far the worst major CSGO caster. Dude doesn't know shit about CSGO so I doubt he will ever commit the time to learning Overwatch. He misses shit constantly. Gets hype about weird things or misses what actually happened.

But at least he doesn't talk about blood thirsty supports every time boombox gets a kill or know literally nothing about the game like Soe and Mr. X (Mr. X has definitely improved, he just needs to speak up and express what he knows better. He sometimes says good things in a really dumb way)

I have no problem with Semmlar like many other CSGO turned OW players have. I've supported Semmlar, Anders, Vendetta and the RoomOnFire guys since it was created years ago. They are a great group of guys who cared vehemently about Counter-Strike. The falling-out-of-love affair with Semmy and the CSGO community is a strange one considering Semmy/Anders was the casting duo during CSGO's prime. I think he simply got a bit too comfortable and the fans got turned off by it.

Either way my biggest issue with Semmy isn't him being in OWL, I welcome him or any other legitimate talent from other games (Monte/DoA for example) to represent OW because it promotes the game's growth. My biggest issue with Semmy and some of the other OWL talent, is why are they there over ZP? It was honestly a really bad judgement call on Blizzard's part excluding ZP, the voice of Overwatch.

foxes [#7]

I have no problem with Semmlar like many other CSGO turned OW players have. I've supported Semmlar, Anders, Vendetta and the RoomOnFire guys since it was created years ago. They are a great group of guys who cared vehemently about Counter-Strike. The falling-out-of-love affair with Semmy and the CSGO community is a strange one considering Semmy/Anders was the casting duo during CSGO's prime. I think he simply got a bit too comfortable and the fans got turned off by it.

Either way my biggest issue with Semmy isn't him being in OWL, I welcome him or any other legitimate talent from other games (Monte/DoA for example) to represent OW because it promotes the game's growth. My biggest issue with Semmy and some of the other OWL talent, is why are they there over ZP? It was honestly a really bad judgement call on Blizzard's part excluding ZP, the voice of Overwatch.

if u really think somebody of his stature was shafted for this reason then you are being willfully ignorant. it isn't like the scenario was "x OR y."

foxes [#7]

I have no problem with Semmlar like many other CSGO turned OW players have. I've supported Semmlar, Anders, Vendetta and the RoomOnFire guys since it was created years ago. They are a great group of guys who cared vehemently about Counter-Strike. The falling-out-of-love affair with Semmy and the CSGO community is a strange one considering Semmy/Anders was the casting duo during CSGO's prime. I think he simply got a bit too comfortable and the fans got turned off by it.

Either way my biggest issue with Semmy isn't him being in OWL, I welcome him or any other legitimate talent from other games (Monte/DoA for example) to represent OW because it promotes the game's growth. My biggest issue with Semmy and some of the other OWL talent, is why are they there over ZP? It was honestly a really bad judgement call on Blizzard's part excluding ZP, the voice of Overwatch.

they werent the "due of cs go" it was anders that was "the caster" and semmler was simply duoed with him
and i really dont know what you meant by the "prime" of cs go if you mean early days than you are wrong as these were times with the weakest competition

tbh i just mute streams and play good music rather than listening to a guy talk about widowmaker lore in the OWL

harsha [#8]

if u really think somebody of his stature was shafted for this reason then you are being willfully ignorant. it isn't like the scenario was "x OR y."

How exactly am I being "willfully ignorant"? The only thing people know about the situation between Anders and Semmlar is that they both grew tired of splitting the casting role 50/50 mid-match and wanted to have more defined roles. Neither of them were happy and that's why Anders is paired with Moses now because Moses is an ex-pro who is more color commentary/analysis while Anders does play-by-play. Semmlar tried to freelance and people questioned his sexual orientation and eventually he fell out of favor with all the competition from other top casting duos that exist in CSGO today.

It actually was a situation of x OR y, x being Semmlar and Y being Anders and the community chose Anders.

remiska [#9]

they werent the "due of cs go" it was anders that was "the caster" and semmler was simply duoed with him
and i really dont know what you meant by the "prime" of cs go if you mean early days than you are wrong as these were times with the weakest competition

If you honestly think people only liked Anders, I don't know what to tell you. Very distinct differences of opinion. Semmlar, despite what people write about him on HLTV, reddit and Twitch chat, actually has a lot of fans and supporters.

And also, if you think 2018 CSGO is even mildly as interesting as CSGO back in 2015/2016 I don't know what to tell you. CSGO is so stale these days it's actually amazing that it still has all the support it does.

foxes [#12]

If you honestly think people only liked Anders, I don't know what to tell you. Very distinct differences of opinion. Semmlar, despite what people write about him on HLTV, reddit and Twitch chat, actually has a lot of fans and supporters.

And also, if you think 2018 CSGO is even mildly as interesting as CSGO back in 2015/2016 I don't know what to tell you. CSGO is so stale these days it's actually amazing that it still has all the support it does.

are you stupid?
do you know what "stale" even means?
do you realise you contradict yourself?
1st "stale" was 2015/2016 cs go aka you knew who was gonna win and it was one team - fnatic
the fact that before every tournament annalists were already pretty sure of a winner and that went for months is what "stale" scene is
late 2017/2018 has a lot of teams contending for the tittle

"despite people on hltv reddit twitch semmler has many fans”, so were are these fans? hiding? if pretty much everywhere he is not regarded high than how come he have many supporters

(from #11)also if the community chose anders pretty happily doesnt it mean it always was about anders?

even in these "prime days" of cs go people disliked semmler and dont fall into the trap of "good old days" 2015/2016 cs go wasnt as interesting as you remember it

like I said already before just like in csgo he doesn't change his style .
overhyping unnecessary things and lack of game knowledge from his side.
he was lucky he had ppl like fifflaren or anders beside him so they made up for his lack of knowledge

Not watched any OWL tbh but from what I'm reading it's the same old Semmler just a new game, I guess it all boils down to what people want ie more professional or more entertainment, personally I like the former hence why I dislike Semmler (in CS at least) was because he was very immature at times and often talked about completely pointless shit just to be funny.

He's always been a marmite character and it seems more people hate him than actually like him, he was part of 2gd studios or whatever it was called years ago before he got into CS and even then there was constant rumours from the house they all shared that nobody liked him which makes the decision to hire him for such a big league even more baffling.

remiska [#13]

are you stupid?
do you know what "stale" even means?
do you realise you contradict yourself?
1st "stale" was 2015/2016 cs go aka you knew who was gonna win and it was one team - fnatic
the fact that before every tournament annalists were already pretty sure of a winner and that went for months is what "stale" scene is
late 2017/2018 has a lot of teams contending for the tittle

"despite people on hltv reddit twitch semmler has many fans”, so were are these fans? hiding? if pretty much everywhere he is not regarded high than how come he have many supporters

(from #11)also if the community chose anders pretty happily doesnt it mean it always was about anders?

even in these "prime days" of cs go people disliked semmler and dont fall into the trap of "good old days" 2015/2016 cs go wasnt as interesting as you remember it

Aye, wasn't it like NiP shitting on everyone for ages then fnatic doing the same? I don't actually watch CS:GO but still follow hltv.org for results and news and it does seem more interesting now that there isn't 1 clear favourite for every event unlike back in the day.

robokun87 [#16]

Aye, wasn't it like NiP shitting on everyone for ages then fnatic doing the same? I don't actually watch CS:GO but still follow hltv.org for results and news and it does seem more interesting now that there isn't 1 clear favourite for every event unlike back in the day.

yea
there were teams like envy lgb tsm vp which were winning some tournaments (well not tsm as they were always choking in semifinals) but simplifying something like this

I like him. Not my favorite caster, but hes fine in my opinion.

remiska [#13]

are you stupid?
do you know what "stale" even means?
do you realise you contradict yourself?
1st "stale" was 2015/2016 cs go aka you knew who was gonna win and it was one team - fnatic
the fact that before every tournament annalists were already pretty sure of a winner and that went for months is what "stale" scene is
late 2017/2018 has a lot of teams contending for the tittle

"despite people on hltv reddit twitch semmler has many fans”, so were are these fans? hiding? if pretty much everywhere he is not regarded high than how come he have many supporters

(from #11)also if the community chose anders pretty happily doesnt it mean it always was about anders?

even in these "prime days" of cs go people disliked semmler and dont fall into the trap of "good old days" 2015/2016 cs go wasnt as interesting as you remember it

I'm stupid because I find CSGO boring, repetitive and stale in 2018? Like many other veteran CS players? Who wants to watch a "superteam" like FaZe win anything? Who wants to watch a bunch of washed up, burned out CS pros play a game simply to collect a paycheck? Talking about NiP, VP, Astralis, Fnatic, G2, EnvyUs, NaVi just to name a few. The game is stale. When a game is out for nearly 5+ years, it becomes stale just like 1.6 did. And if you think Gambit, ex-Immortals and BIG are truly great CS teams in a highly competitive CS scene, just no. People are just burned out on that game and it's hard to push yourself to the limits when playing the game becomes a nothing but a job.

I'm sorry you don't agree with me about the state of CSGO competitive play and Semmlar, but honestly you're hyper opinionated posturing and excessive typos aren't really appreciated.

foxes [#19]

I'm stupid because I find CSGO boring, repetitive and stale in 2018? Like many other veteran CS players? Who wants to watch a "superteam" like FaZe win anything? Who wants to watch a bunch of washed up, burned out CS pros play a game simply to collect a paycheck? Talking about NiP, VP, Astralis, Fnatic, G2, EnvyUs, NaVi just to name a few. The game is stale. When a game is out for nearly 5+ years, it becomes stale just like 1.6 did. And if you think Gambit, ex-Immortals and BIG are truly great CS teams in a highly competitive CS scene, just no. People are just burned out on that game and it's hard to push yourself to the limits when playing the game becomes a nothing but a job.

I'm sorry you don't agree with me about the state of CSGO competitive play and Semmlar, but honestly you're hyper opinionated posturing and excessive typos aren't really appreciated.

Not quite sure I get what you#'re trying to say, not quite sure how anyone can consider a game like CS:GO stale when it has new tournaments happening pretty much all the time with at least 4 majors a year and LAN events left right and center but whatever tickles your pickle. I guess that would also make OW stale based on that logic? up until the OWL kicked off that is.

"bunch of washed up burned out pros" there's only a few teams that fit that criteria and even they have won majors so I guess they ain't all that washed up and burned out. When a game is out for 5 years it becomes stale, pretty sure CS was the most popular FPS on the planet for well over 10 years and SC was also one of the most popular game period, the definition of stale is "no longer new and interesting or exciting" and if we go by your logic we can apply that to every single game on the planet and call them all stale after a few years since they are no longer new, right?

I honestly don't think too many people can agree with you regarding CS:GO when it's still massively popular in every aspect, it's obvious you ain't a fan of the game but to call it stale and full of washed up players who only play for the money based on that is some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen.

Coming from someone who has followed a game riddled with staleness for the first two years of its existence is pretty hilarious. Don't sit there and tell me you wouldn't want OW to be swimming in massive LAN events and 4 majors a year like CS:GO has because you'd be talking absolute shit.

I like him a lot because I feel his style is similar to that of an FGC caster. Maybe people don't want that in OWL but I enjoy it. He definitely could improve with in game knowledge and more cohesion with co-casters but I like his style.

Imo he's doing great considering he has very few games under his belt. I never particulary disliked him casting cs:go games, it's just that Sadokist is an insanely good caster.

robokun87 [#20]

Not quite sure I get what you#'re trying to say, not quite sure how anyone can consider a game like CS:GO stale when it has new tournaments happening pretty much all the time with at least 4 majors a year and LAN events left right and center but whatever tickles your pickle. I guess that would also make OW stale based on that logic? up until the OWL kicked off that is.

"bunch of washed up burned out pros" there's only a few teams that fit that criteria and even they have won majors so I guess they ain't all that washed up and burned out. When a game is out for 5 years it becomes stale, pretty sure CS was the most popular FPS on the planet for well over 10 years and SC was also one of the most popular game period, the definition of stale is "no longer new and interesting or exciting" and if we go by your logic we can apply that to every single game on the planet and call them all stale after a few years since they are no longer new, right?

I honestly don't think too many people can agree with you regarding CS:GO when it's still massively popular in every aspect, it's obvious you ain't a fan of the game but to call it stale and full of washed up players who only play for the money based on that is some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen.

Coming from someone who has followed a game riddled with staleness for the first two years of its existence is pretty hilarious. Don't sit there and tell me you wouldn't want OW to be swimming in massive LAN events and 4 majors a year like CS:GO has because you'd be talking absolute shit.

And here is commercial thinking 101. So a game is interesting and exciting if there is money involved? Good to know. Glad to know that line of thinking that has ruined a vast majority of things I love in real life has slowly made its way into online gaming too. It's like you actually work @ Activision.

But I can understand as a casual outsider who reads HLTV every now and then w/ a very limited amount of knowledge of what they're actually talking about could have that perspective. You saying that there are only a "few teams that fit that criteria" in terms of having over-the-hill players, now that is the most retarded, obviously uninformed statement I've read. Look @ the current top 10 in CSGO, if you can recognize any of the teams or players w/ you would know that most of them have been shadows of themselves for well over a year, with the exception of SK-gaming.

But hey, if I watched games simply for the prize pool I'd only watch DOTA2 and I'd only watch it once a year for the International because that's the only tournament that matters because money and sponsors are the only things that make games relevant.

Right?

I think he is ok. He is a new and lacks game knowledge but can be learnt over time. His flow can be a bit slow at times I agree though for OW.

Something that did irk me a bit was in yesterdays games (particularity GLAD vs Fusion) was he kept bundling in both LA teams (Example during halftime in he kept saying That LA hasnt won a map all day, LA needs a win etc. and i understand what he meant, but was a bit confusing, and IMO should respect each team as a separate entity ).

I think he will grow fine into the league however, give him some time

I keep hearing him and thinking its Jkap...I miss him

dedC [#2]

I think he's good, im completely fine with his spot in owl, I agree on a bunch of your points, but he's kinda new to ow so im sure he'll get better as time goes on

He brings a unique style where I see the potential that I quite like, it’s just that currently he’s not exactly there with game knowledge, but I agree with you that he will become better as OWL goes on. Nevertheless I do miss ZP

Remiska hates him LUL

I'll tell you what, I quite like him as the host on the analysis desk. Pucket's still #1 but I wouldn't mind Semmler taking the seat once a week

foxes [#23]

And here is commercial thinking 101. So a game is interesting and exciting if there is money involved? Good to know. Glad to know that line of thinking that has ruined a vast majority of things I love in real life has slowly made its way into online gaming too. It's like you actually work @ Activision.

But I can understand as a casual outsider who reads HLTV every now and then w/ a very limited amount of knowledge of what they're actually talking about could have that perspective. You saying that there are only a "few teams that fit that criteria" in terms of having over-the-hill players, now that is the most retarded, obviously uninformed statement I've read. Look @ the current top 10 in CSGO, if you can recognize any of the teams or players w/ you would know that most of them have been shadows of themselves for well over a year, with the exception of SK-gaming.

But hey, if I watched games simply for the prize pool I'd only watch DOTA2 and I'd only watch it once a year for the International because that's the only tournament that matters because money and sponsors are the only things that make games relevant.

Right?

You tripping balls? where did I mention it being interesting and exciting because of the money involved? if you honestly think a game isn't interesting or exciting when they have as many different LAN events all over the world like this then I honestly have no words for you, I would definitely have to question your definition of the words and ask if you're mentally sane and laugh at the fact you would consider a game like OW interesting and exciting with the almost zero LAN events over the years. So in your mind what results in something being interesting and exciting?

Now I have to question your definition of another term "over-the-hill" which means "old and past one's best." Sure they ain't exactly young but past ones best? NiP ain't as good as they used to be but still hardly what you'd consider over the hill nor can the same be said about VP who find the form when they really want to, FaZe is a new team so wouldn't apply that to them and so are C9 roughly as well as mouz, North and even fnatic.

Out of that entire top 10 the only teams remotely close to being classed as over the hill are VP and NiP.

Again where did I say I watch for the prize pool? hell where did I say I watch CS:GO period? to say you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about is an understatement, the massive hard on of hate you have for CS:GO is worrying while you sit here and defend a game like OW that has done nothing at all since the start of OWL 2 years after release.

Maybe you should get over the jealousy you have for CS:GO and actually read what people post instead of talking utter nonsense and making yourself look even more retarded.

Casting aside, Semmler looks like ZP 2.0.

He isn't bad, on the desk, as caster I think is the worse of the lot imo.
But again, why no ZP? And I'm not saying just instead of Semmler, but also of Monte/Doa or Uber/Mrx or the other one (mexican?).

The argument "ZP is gonna cast Contenders" isn't good for me, as Semmler and the other new one should make some experience on T2 torunaments, and have the best ones for the T1 one, btw are we sure he's gonna cast Contenders?

When people complains in threads about Semmler for ZP, it's 'cause he is now casting with Hex who was ZP's "partner"

Eh he hasn’t been too terrible but he hasn’t been that great either. He doesn’t seem to have very much in depth knowledge of the actual game and it was really annoying during the first week when he kept saying heroes had gained a lot of energy referring to the ult charge that they had gotten. Considering that ZP isn’t apart of the casting crew it’s really surprising that they went with Semmler especially since ZP and Hex have casted so many games together.

As far as him on the desk today as the main host, I’m reallly not a fan. He doesn’t really seem to know where he’s going half the time and there just seems to be too many dead moments with him there. Again with his seemingly lack of in depth knowledge about the game and the scene, he just really seems out of place more than anything. Maybe he’ll start getting into it more the more he’s around, but he’s been very underwhelming thus far.

Fuck him hes a dirty baguette!

robokun87 [#29]

You tripping balls? where did I mention it being interesting and exciting because of the money involved? if you honestly think a game isn't interesting or exciting when they have as many different LAN events all over the world like this then I honestly have no words for you, I would definitely have to question your definition of the words and ask if you're mentally sane and laugh at the fact you would consider a game like OW interesting and exciting with the almost zero LAN events over the years. So in your mind what results in something being interesting and exciting?

Now I have to question your definition of another term "over-the-hill" which means "old and past one's best." Sure they ain't exactly young but past ones best? NiP ain't as good as they used to be but still hardly what you'd consider over the hill nor can the same be said about VP who find the form when they really want to, FaZe is a new team so wouldn't apply that to them and so are C9 roughly as well as mouz, North and even fnatic.

Out of that entire top 10 the only teams remotely close to being classed as over the hill are VP and NiP.

Again where did I say I watch for the prize pool? hell where did I say I watch CS:GO period? to say you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about is an understatement, the massive hard on of hate you have for CS:GO is worrying while you sit here and defend a game like OW that has done nothing at all since the start of OWL 2 years after release.

Maybe you should get over the jealousy you have for CS:GO and actually read what people post instead of talking utter nonsense and making yourself look even more retarded.

What I don't understand is you're trying to talk about CSGO like you actually have a clue about what is going on in that game, or what has ever gone on in that game. You also admitted that you didn't watch CSGO, just read news here and there which is why I commented about your ignorance.

Let me ask you, do you even know what the top 10 in CSGO is? VP is going to go 0-3 in this year's major and will more than likely do some form of drastic roster change. NiP didn't even qualify for the MINOR, let alone the major. Shox, a legendary player in the game's beginnings hasn't made it to the playoffs in a major since Katowice 2015, 3 fucking years and his team G2 hasn't played up to it's potential since French mix 3.0. But of course they're all doing just great. Don't even get me started on the other side of the French mix of EnvyUs, they aren't even worth talking about with how abysmal they've been.

This leaves you with C9 who hasn't been good since sgares stepped down, fnatic who hasn't been good since 2015 and went through several roster changes, North who is struggling to be a middle tier team and Astralis who is about to get bounced out of another major early.

Maybe you should actually watch the games you comment on because reading what you write just cracks me up. You're actually clueless, like listening to my dad talk about CS.

robokun87 [#15]

Not watched any OWL tbh but from what I'm reading it's the same old Semmler just a new game, I guess it all boils down to what people want ie more professional or more entertainment, personally I like the former hence why I dislike Semmler (in CS at least) was because he was very immature at times and often talked about completely pointless shit just to be funny.

He's always been a marmite character and it seems more people hate him than actually like him, he was part of 2gd studios or whatever it was called years ago before he got into CS and even then there was constant rumours from the house they all shared that nobody liked him which makes the decision to hire him for such a big league even more baffling.

I don't particularly care for Semmler, I haven't warmed up to him though that could change over time.

However, feel free to watch and actually make your own opinion based on what you've actually experienced. I don't understand how you can base your own opinion on 2nd hand accounts but it makes you sound even more ignorant than usual, and that's saying something.

OverwatchIsShit [#33]

Fuck him hes a dirty baguette!

If your name is Overwatch is Shit, then what are you doing here. And why did you call him a dirty baguette, he's American, not French

I had never heard him previously and I initially resented him for taking a spot that I thought should have gone to ZP (whether or not that's actually true, that was the feeling I had), but I've actually been pleasantly surprised. I think he's doing a solid job. I think he his casting will improve as his sense of the game matures, but I already like his style and think he has a good rapport with Hex.

KuroiRyuu9625 [#35]

I don't particularly care for Semmler, I haven't warmed up to him though that could change over time.

However, feel free to watch and actually make your own opinion based on what you've actually experienced. I don't understand how you can base your own opinion on 2nd hand accounts but it makes you sound even more ignorant than usual, and that's saying something.

You mean me actually watching CS:GO and listening to him and Anders cast for about 2 years isn't enough to base my opinion on? I was watching CS:GO when it was just Anders on his own before Semmler was known and listened to him from the start and up until a year or so ago, just because I base my opinion on his OW casting thus far on 2nd hand opinions doesn't mean I've based every opinion I have on him with the same logic, you honestly think I would come here and say stuff about Semmler based on 2nd hand comments? don't be an idiot.

How many times have you watched Semmler? I will guarantee you all the money in the world I've listened to more of his casts than you ever will.

foxes [#34]

What I don't understand is you're trying to talk about CSGO like you actually have a clue about what is going on in that game, or what has ever gone on in that game. You also admitted that you didn't watch CSGO, just read news here and there which is why I commented about your ignorance.

Let me ask you, do you even know what the top 10 in CSGO is? VP is going to go 0-3 in this year's major and will more than likely do some form of drastic roster change. NiP didn't even qualify for the MINOR, let alone the major. Shox, a legendary player in the game's beginnings hasn't made it to the playoffs in a major since Katowice 2015, 3 fucking years and his team G2 hasn't played up to it's potential since French mix 3.0. But of course they're all doing just great. Don't even get me started on the other side of the French mix of EnvyUs, they aren't even worth talking about with how abysmal they've been.

This leaves you with C9 who hasn't been good since sgares stepped down, fnatic who hasn't been good since 2015 and went through several roster changes, North who is struggling to be a middle tier team and Astralis who is about to get bounced out of another major early.

Maybe you should actually watch the games you comment on because reading what you write just cracks me up. You're actually clueless, like listening to my dad talk about CS.

I wrote out a big reply and closed the tab by accident so fuck it, you repeat yourself with the same shit and claim I'm talking about money when I'm not and my knowledge of CS:GO when I'm not, let me make it bold for you to understand; I'm questioning your use of the words stale and boring. Understand? I find it incredibly mind blowing how someone can follow a game like OW that for 2 years has been pretty much stale and boring yet call a game like CS:GO stale and boring when it's still as alive as it ever was with major LAN events happening very often.

It baffles the shit out of me, the fact those are the top teams in the top 10 and you just mentioned half of them going through a rough patch doesn't indicate the game is boring is it? the fact there's been 9 different winners out of the last 12 majors doesn't indicate the game is boring and stale does it?

Don't forget how western OW was pretty much dominated by two teams in the first 2 years of OW's life, if THAT isn't boring and stale then fucking shoot me.

I don't like him at first, but I just got used to him. He's okay overall but I'd prefer ZP and Hex together.

irishfire [#36]

If your name is Overwatch is Shit, then what are you doing here. And why did you call him a dirty baguette, he's American, not French

He's half French.

robokun87 [#39]

I wrote out a big reply and closed the tab by accident so fuck it, you repeat yourself with the same shit and claim I'm talking about money when I'm not and my knowledge of CS:GO when I'm not, let me make it bold for you to understand; I'm questioning your use of the words stale and boring. Understand? I find it incredibly mind blowing how someone can follow a game like OW that for 2 years has been pretty much stale and boring yet call a game like CS:GO stale and boring when it's still as alive as it ever was with major LAN events happening very often.

It baffles the shit out of me, the fact those are the top teams in the top 10 and you just mentioned half of them going through a rough patch doesn't indicate the game is boring is it? the fact there's been 9 different winners out of the last 12 majors doesn't indicate the game is boring and stale does it?

Don't forget how western OW was pretty much dominated by two teams in the first 2 years of OW's life, if THAT isn't boring and stale then fucking shoot me.

I'm repeating myself? Do you lack self awareness? You're the person who butted into a conversation you have literally no place entering. You don't know shit about CSGO and it's very obvious.

You act like 9 (it's actually 8) different winners over the last 12 majors is something that suggests diversity? For starters, it's been 12 majors over the course of more than 5 years. The French superteams Envy and LDLC were the same team just a different organization, same w/ the Brazilian LG and SK teams. But you wouldn't know this, because you don't watch CSGO or know what you're talking about. So 2 by NV/LDLC, 2 by SK-gaming and 3 by Fnatic. That leaves 7 out of 12 majors won between 3 teams. How very diverse. I feel like I'm talking to someone who reads about CSGO through Wikipedia. It's so obviously transparent.

Now to get to your general, bolded point. I find CSGO stale and boring because it's old, stale and boring. Same players, same teams getting worse every year. OW is new, fresh and full of new players, teams and talent that are reinventing the game and the meta. That doesn't exist in CSGO. But then again you wouldn't know that, because you don't watch it or know what you're talking about.

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I'm repeating myself? Do you lack self awareness? You're the person who butted into a conversation you have literally no place entering. You don't know shit about CSGO and it's very obvious.

You act like 9 (it's actually 8) different winners over the last 12 majors is something that suggests diversity? For starters, it's been 12 majors over the course of more than 5 years. The French superteams Envy and LDLC were the same team just a different organization, same w/ the Brazilian LG and SK teams. But you wouldn't know this, because you don't watch CSGO or know what you're talking about. So 2 by NV/LDLC, 2 by SK-gaming and 3 by Fnatic. That leaves 7 out of 12 majors won between 3 teams. How very diverse. I feel like I'm talking to someone who reads about CSGO through Wikipedia. It's so obviously transparent.

Now to get to your general, bolded point. I find CSGO stale and boring because it's old, stale and boring. Same players, same teams getting worse every year. OW is new, fresh and full of new players, teams and talent that are reinventing the game and the meta. That doesn't exist in CSGO. But then again you wouldn't know that, because you don't watch it or know what you're talking about.

"butted into a conversation" sorry, you mean this isn't how forums work? the public conversation that you somehow think was private enough that nobody could "butt" into? lol, I had as much place entering as anyone and questioned why you considered the game stale and boring and you dragged it out into a shit show talking about a tone of nonsense nobody even mentioned, all you had to do was say why you thought it's stale and boring yet you made a mountain out of a mole hill just to make yourself look smart.

I don't watch CS:GO based on me not being able to memorize every minute detail, that logic makes perfect sense there pal, I watched OW for the first year and watched almost every tournament available yet barely remember shit, some people are good at remembering some ain't but wait, that also means I didn't watch any OW right?

So the fact we had 7 winners in your eyes out of 12 still doesn't make it diverse? "showing a great deal of variety; very different." How is that not diverse? only 1 team has won 2 majors in a row yet that isn't diverse?

"same players" do you actually look at the rosters and not see the new unknown players coming through that didn't exist when CS:GO launched?

Honestly, I wonder why I bother, you have it cemented in your mind that CS is stale and boring yet support a game like OW because it's new, fresh and full of new players and teams? as I said before OW has been mostly dominated outside of Asia by the same few teams, there's been very few LAN events and outside of the OWL most people wouldn't consider the game to be anything other than stale and pretty much dead.

And also, if you think 2018 CSGO is even mildly as interesting as CSGO back in 2015/2016 I don't know what to tell you. CSGO is so stale these days it's actually amazing that it still has all the support it does. >

Do you ever ask yourself why it still has all the support it does and why it still has millions of dollars being pumped into it yearly or are we all just delusional and only you can see sense? you think CS:GO was more interesting in an era that was less diverse yet consider it stale and boring when it's even more diverse with even more LAN events with even more money, how in the fuck does that logic make ANY sense?

Im okay with semmler as a caster. I liked ZP better as a caster, but his voice kind of annoyed me. Semmler isn't as good of a caster, but his voice is amazing to listen to, so i'm willing to make the trade-off, especially if hex is still their.