JJANU and paJion leave Titans

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what is going on with this team? I feel like they are about to explode. Also I guess its an unwritten law now that we must have 2 bad orgs in OWL and one of them has to be Boston. Florida seems to be doing better so now the titans are taking their place

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Yo Florida, it's time to make a pro gamer move here

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My guess is that jjanu is still in Korea and didn’t come back with everyone when they moved back to Vancouver. So if any team where to make a move in picking him up it would be Seoul or one of the Chinese teams that isn’t the hunters

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I bet Seoul since Seoul only has one off tank atm

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Marve1 is now playing off-tank, but maybe with the arrival of JJANU in Seoul, Marve1 will not have to play Sigma, and then he will return to the main-tank role...

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I just find it odd that, if players didn't want to live in Vancouver... why sign with that team in the first place. Not that I know too much of the details in this one, but just find it really really hard to like some Korean players, when their usual respond is "would like to play with KR roster" and not to talk about how many KR players seems to been troublemakers in some teams (some westerns too, but hey that's Boston). Count all the internal drama in the league and most of it is involved or caused by Korean player (exclude 2 Boston Voldemort's).

Sure it looks weird with team moving from Vancouver to Korea and then back to Vancouver, but I don't know how bad situation it is in Vancouver area with Covid-19.

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Well, I think when you sign onto a team I don’t think they are signing onto “Vancouver” I think they are signing into the “Titans” it’s their only chance to play in the Overwatch League so they will take it regardless of where the want to live. But when it comes down to it, they want to live where they live. I bet 80% of Korean players want to play for Seoul, but that not always possible, and I bet if the overwatch league adds a Busan team and maybe one other Korean team, so many of them will flock there. It’s just unfortunate that there are so many Korean players but only one Korean team. Also I think the season why Vancouver moved their team to Korea in the first place was because that’s where they felt they would perform the best, and probably not the players demanding to go to Korea

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That's not I, what I meant. It's not like Vancouver (or any other team) organization didn't have something planned in their home city, when we were still meant to have Homestands. Titans is Vancouver, Vancouver is Titans, why buy a team slot into Vancouver, if you don't want to have your players in the area you are going to play most of your Homestands? Nothing weird, if Korean player wants be in Seoul, but if that is, what they expect while their team name is something else than "Seoul Dynasty"... I find it hard to really understand, what goes into their mind...

Like I get it, if they would have relocated (before covid-19 situation) into LA or whatnot place for most of the season to eliminate travelling to minimum, but so far I find it really hard to side with either side in Titans players vs Titans management so called issue. I don't know, what's going on, but some players on this case or some previous similar cases with players leaving the team, which involved drama with team are not really making themselves look good by some of their twitter comments. Sure there's probably something done wrong both sides, but some previous players from Boston at least did pretty low-grade comments about Boston after they left the team and, if I would be picking players for my OWL team I would think twice before even considering to sign such player (no matter how badly Boston was managed at the time or still is).

Like Vancouver management side has been quiet in public so, what can you say about them? Nothing really with real facts, but players put up something into social media, which of course doesn't make team look good, but what does that really tell about the player?

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I’m sure the organization wants to win Vancouver but the players don’t. And that’s how it is with most sports, in baseball most teams pick up Spanish players or America players, but they don’t live or even spend much time in that city/state. It’s common, the players play for the organization and the organization represents the city, the players don’t represent the city. Also, if Boston is an awful org, or if any organization is really bad, and now that players are not signed to a contract, of course they are going to say honest things. Apparently the Vancouver organization has not been treating their players the best, and players have the right to say whatever they want afterwards, and just because a player told the truth about their previous organization doesn’t mean that you should think twice about picking them up. Even though Dallas has made a lot of bad decisions, people always talk very highly of Envy as an organization. So teams shouldn’t worry about picking up players who have talked shit about their previous team if they feel like they are a good organization and they treat their players well

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When you put it that way It just shows players don't care about that organization/city/team so why would fans want to care about that team, if their players are willing to care about fans of the team? You are saying players don't want to win in Vancouver is just another red flag, why sign with a team, which you don't want to win for? Players knew they would be in their teams home market for this season so, what the hell they expected?

Honest opinion ain't the same than truth. I may not like something, what is happening in the world, but my opinion still may not be the truth no matter how much I try to make everyone believe it. Shit talking their previous team publicly is just a sign to other teams that person might not be ideal person to sign as you never know, what he might say after he leaves your team. You are saying teams are not afraid to picking up players with "bad reputation", but just google a little and you find little more information about some players that do not even get a chance, because of their "bad reputation", which might be true or not, who the heck knows.

It's just same situation than with former London Spitfire GM Susie Kim tweeting about not being able to make fan meeting in Seoul, when their freaking team represents London.

Maybe Titans organization haven't been treating players as they would have wanted, but it seems some people believe everything they hear from internet and think it's 100% truth. Saying they haven't been treated the way they wanted to be treated is same as not really telling anything. Do you think players have really been giving 100% (PR and stuff) for their organization too?

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Well if I signed for the Seoul dynasty I would expect to be playing somewhat from there. I think it’s arrogant to think that because ur Korean it would mean you wouldn’t really play in Vancouver. I feel like we need to just hear more of what’s going on behind the scenes before one side gets blamed though

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I really don't think its that though, if Vancouver had stayed in Vancouver the whole time maybe, but the organization is asking the team to risk their health in order to do this. They didn't have adequate facilities for the team yet brought them to Korea and now are asking them to go back. I find this absurd
Second, if Jjanu was the only one leaving the team then I would not have put the blame on the team but the fact that the coach is leaving I think is telling of the situation.

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That's the only part (from public information) I can agree that it's very odd that Vancouver moved from NA -> KR -> NA. Otherwise players are meant to be the area, where team plays.

It was a red flag already before Season 2, when it was told that Runaway would sign only, if whole team signs. Does anyone really think that creates good relationship with team management, when you are forced to sign some people you don't really want, but you wanted 75% of the players? I think not.

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Well runaway were arguably better then half of the season 1 teams so it was prolly the goal was to bring this super team. I look at it like Vancouvers management really wants to win and they have high standards so when the team asked to be moved to Korea they let them move but after they got shitted on by hunters and charge management prolly thought they couldn’t win in Asia and moved them back to na for easier wins. That’s how I’ve viewed what’s happened but there’s 100% things we are never going to know about what’s happened

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There may be some truth in that "easier wins in NA" in their choice, but I don't know moving players around the world isn't all that simple. As far as we know they had facilities in Vancouver, but they moved into Korea and they have something there or did they just tell players to play at home?

I don't know, which non-KR organizations even have facilities in Korea or can you even get a place to build operations there with this short notice? Team still has to be able to support the players no matter, where they play and how many non-KR staff members there is for Titans that probably couldn't be in Korea forever, if their visas expire at some point?

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I guess to be fair these players are still very young so their parents and family members really didn't want them to go back? (this is 100% a theory and one that's probably not true)

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Maybe, but I think New York XL moving away from New York is understandable given current situation (case/death numbers and all the lockdown stuff), but hardly any other US state is even close to same situation currently. And in Canada it's Quebec / Ontario with reasonable high numbers, but rest of the country seems to be still pretty small numbers.

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But you know family and parents...

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Well that's not reason to shit talk the organization if you want to stay with your family and parents.

Like I don't know how their families are in KR, but they say Covid-19 situation in Korea is pretty stable.

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All of this is kind of saddening... I wanted to see Ryujehong playing Echo since he is a formal dps and a versatile sub healer who has had a gig of playing winston XD

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Much love <3