Rogue’s ‘dominance’

Rogue (french Rouge) wasn’t that dominant how everybody sais they were.Yeah they crushed all the way worse teams in the West, apart from Selfless, which series were always extremely close and fun to watch. Additionally they only played Envy once or twice as far as I can remember. At Rumble in April it was ‘close’ on paper, back when Internethulk was still on the team, even though Rouge was clearly better. I don’t remember the second time, if there even was one. They won TakeOver 2 convincingly plus some small online tournaments like Monthly Melee, PIT, and Rumble, but apart from that, they didn’t really ‘achieve’ anything, they got immediately crushed in the group stage of APEX, yes they had a hard group with the two finalists and could have developed in the playoffs, but I don’t think so! Envy’s fourth place in APEX S3 is way more valuable than anything Rouge achieved. (I don’t and never did hate Rogue :D)

What are you on

they were dominant of NA and eu region,what's your point?

I can't find it but their record was something like 132W/20L during the past 1,5year...

As #3 said they were dominant of the EU and NA region

Yea they lost in Apex to Lunatic Hai and Kongdoo Panthera they must be just terrible.

All these yellow first places also mean they suck.

https://imgur.com/a/cTMTS

They did better with the older lineup before the shuffle imho.

They just did a 48-6 in 2017, not really dominant, right ?
With 3 looses against (KDP, LH, and Nv).

imho if they practiced more against koreans they would have chance in apex
they were winning all the scrims in korea

Just look at Bayern Munich for example, they dominate the Bundesliga, but there are also other teams like Borussia Dortmund or RedBull Leipzig (Selfless and NV), where it’s close, but right now Bayern sucks in the Champions League, where they don’t dominate, because there are teams like Madrid, Barca, PSG, Spurs, ManU, ... (Lunatic Hai, KDP, AF Blue, Runaway, ...). One could say that Serie A is EU scene.

I don’t say they sucked, but dominating way worse teams isn’t really ‘true dominating’ (in my opinion) (of course it can be considered dominating, but just at a certain scene (western)). To me true domination is consistently beating the best teams in the world.

EDIT:
I think dominating is consistently winning against teams, which are kind of the same caliber.

Nobody ever say they dominating the World scene, only the West, and that's true ...

Let’s say it was just easy for Rogue to dominate in the Western scene due to lack of competition, whereas in Korea competition is much higher, the field is much more stacked and balanced, that a domination like Rogue had wouldn’t be possible.

Let’s say NV would go to South America and completely their scene, of course it’s dominating, but with no real competitor, it’s easy for them.

That’s basically what Rogue did, coming to America and owning US teams.

It’s like a fight between an adult and a child, of course the adult dominates.

Alright, you are creating some pretty difficult and unnecessary analogies here. Let's make this clear: Rogue was amazing in the dive meta. There is no doubt in my mind they were stronger than the older version of Envy. This is before Envy got used to playing with Effect.

Rogue was insanely good at dive. According to many sources, all top Korean teams were being annihilated in scrims. Meta slightly shifted, Koreans analysed the shit out of Rogue, Rogue underperformed. Those 3 factors imo caused the losses for Rogue. You have to realise that playing in Korea is absolutely shit for western players. Its mentally exhausting.

I'd pay good money to see Rogue at peak performance against LH/KDP in a more suitable environment (e.g. short LAN/LAN in America).

Rouge had issues, they were the best in NA, yes, they won almost every game, but their play was bad, compared to the Koreans who played the game "correctly". The ult coordination was poor, they'd invest ults into losing fights, it was mostly evident with Dragonblades and Trances. They didn't have a good offtank, the only reason they did well was because they figured out how to run a correct dive, and they had so much mechanical skill, no one could compete, but they had many issues, it's just no one in NA decided to take the time and figure out how to beat them.

But when they went over to Korea, they got steamrolled because they weren't a team. Koreans value team play and having a team be worth more then just the sum of their parts, but Rouge were the opposite, so when they went over to Korea, teams disected them, they abused the fact that they didn't have a good offtank. So they killed the supports easily, while the tanks protected and pealed for their own supports and shut down anyone who tryed to do anything.

Rogue could only run 1 comp so they were very one dimensional. The koreans only needed to counter only one comp, and when they did, every team without a good offtank fell, Rouge, IMT, Renegades, Eunited, and probably more. Even though that is my opinion, Rogue weren't in the best of circumstances, they were shipped to a different country, stuffed in hotel rooms and forced to play well in a glass box. Pair that with the weak competition in NA and you have recipe for disaster.

So, to sum it up, Rogue lost because they didn't play like a team, their ultimate coordination and usage was wasteful and not planned throughly, they didn't have a good offtank and they could only play 1 comp, so koreans exploited these flaws and rolled them in APEX. After that they couldn't get back on the feet and 3 dps was much less viable after the koreans showed how to counter it.

Imagine a Lion playing on Bayern Munich having a swordbattle with a Polar Bear currently playing for the Falcons.

I don't understand why people create threads like these. You are just trying to say things everybody knows in a negative way.