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How does that make it better? that means we rely 100% on Blizzard doing as many offline events as possible, I'm not sure this has anything to do with them making OW more "connected" as it is them trying to rule the game with an iron fist, Blizzard seem to be looking at the way e-sports has been ran over the last decade and trying to do the opposite, how many games have events only ran by the people that made the game?
What next, Blizzard owning the rights to every team and player so they can do what they want and hold auctions for the players to make even more fat bank? fucking ridiculous in all honesty. Blizzard have taken the best ran OW event since the game has been released and taken control of it and people think this is better for the game?
Beginning to wonder if Pixelfish works for Blizzard never in my entire life have I seen someone so positive on absolutely every single thing a company does, I love Blizzard as much as anyone but come on man, we ain't gonna kill you if you're even slightly negative about anything they do.
Yo guys relax, ur like jumping on me for no reason. I never said ogn was bad- it just allows the entire tier 2 Overwatch scene to be much more connected instead of having multiple different tournaments run by different production groups. Blizzard having some upper management (not replacing) over the APEX (and maybe future OCE/CHI) circuits will allow the scene to have more unison and make it easier for newcomers to the scene.
You guys get way too uptight if someone has a separate opinion from you.
Why does Robokun hate me so much 😔
penda [#9]I just hope Blizzard hires ogn’s production staff
That would be the best outcome. As long as they hire everyone, including the people who make the intros for teams
Pixelfish [#12]Yo guys relax, ur like jumping on me for no reason. I never said ogn was bad- it just allows the entire tier 2 Overwatch scene to be much more connected instead of having multiple different tournaments run by different production groups. Blizzard having some upper management (not replacing) over the APEX (and maybe future OCE/CHI) circuits will allow the scene to have more unison and make it easier for newcomers to the scene.
You guys get way too uptight if someone has a separate opinion from you.Why does Robokun hate me so much 😔
How does Blizzard taking it over make it any more connected than it already is? if you mean like a professional league system owned by one organization with different tiers for different quality of teams then sure it makes it connected but how can one do that with leagues all over the world?
Having multiple different tournaments ran by different production groups brings more diversity in terms of sponsors and teams signing up as well as different systems, I can't think of anything e-sports related that's worked best with 1 group running every single tournament but hey, time will tell eh.
You guys get way too uptight if someone has a separate opinion from you. >
Pretty sure you call me negative and all that whenever my opinion differs from yours, that's just how this place works, someone disagreed with you? they are negative, downvote them!!
Don't hate you bro, I'd have your babies no joke.
KoleeKo [#14]Blizzard decision = automatically terrible? pls teach me the ways of reason and logic, internet
No it's how Blizzard taking control of what arguably the largest and last 3rd party run league. APEX has made its mark on the OW scene, both Korean and worldwide. For Blizzard just to take over this, might really upset some long time fans, and arguably killing the whole 3rd party thing.
robokun87 [#16]How does Blizzard taking it over make it any more connected than it already is? if you mean like a professional league system owned by one organization with different tiers for different quality of teams then sure it makes it connected but how can one do that with leagues all over the world?
Having multiple different tournaments ran by different production groups brings more diversity in terms of sponsors and teams signing up as well as different systems, I can't think of anything e-sports related that's worked best with 1 group running every single tournament but hey, time will tell eh.
You guys get way too uptight if someone has a separate opinion from you. >
Pretty sure you call me negative and all that whenever my opinion differs from yours, that's just how this place works, someone disagreed with you? they are negative, downvote them!!
Don't hate you bro, I'd have your babies no joke.
LUL I love you bro
TMosura [#17]No it's how Blizzard taking control of what arguably the largest and last 3rd party run league. APEX has made its mark on the OW scene, both Korean and worldwide. For Blizzard just to take over this, might really upset some long time fans, and arguably killing the whole 3rd party thing.
I’m not a fan of the move either but I see the potential of making Apex Contenders. I don’t see blizzard as greedy hoarders who don’t care about esports. I think they handle ranked overwatch horrendously, but as far as esports go I think it’s mostly been really good considering the big picture of 10 years or more as well
KoleeKo [#19]I’m not a fan of the move either but I see the potential of making Apex Contenders. I don’t see blizzard as greedy hoarders who don’t care about esports. I think they handle ranked overwatch horrendously, but as far as esports go I think it’s mostly been really good considering the big picture of 10 years or more as well
Not sure, I'm going senile but how many tournaments have Blizzard actually done apart from the WC and contenders finals, which btw the decision to NOT have EU vs NA on LAN is still fucking farcical and because of that I have very little hope Blizzard can do a good job but I hope they do.
As far as e-sports go it's been very lacklustre, when gosugamers had weekly cups when OW first came out why didn't Blizzard do some of that monthly? when OW first came out I always watched those GG weeklies and very much enjoyed it yet when that all died down where was Blizzard? nowhere, when we're crying out for LANS where was Blizzard? nowhere, you don't need 100$m investments from some rich guys who probably know nothing about OW to run an event yet unless Blizzard where gaining from it they didn't give a shit.
When it comes to making games Blizzard are as good as anyone but when it comes to e-sports they are a joke, what have Blizzard themselves done for ANY game they have released over the last decade? I know nothing about Hots but how many tournaments do they run for that? or HS? or back when WC3 was huge how many did they run? they run like 1 arena tournament a year at Blizzcon for wow, why not throw in some chump change and host monthly tournaments? Blizzard are sitting on a massive pot of money yet still want investment just to run tournaments for their own games.
I wish the people that say Blizzard care about e-sports would actually prove it because I ain't seeing it.
robokun87 [#20]Not sure, I'm going senile but how many tournaments have Blizzard actually done apart from the WC and contenders finals, which btw the decision to NOT have EU vs NA on LAN is still fucking farcical and because of that I have very little hope Blizzard can do a good job but I hope they do.
As far as e-sports go it's been very lacklustre, when gosugamers had weekly cups when OW first came out why didn't Blizzard do some of that monthly? when OW first came out I always watched those GG weeklies and very much enjoyed it yet when that all died down where was Blizzard? nowhere, when we're crying out for LANS where was Blizzard? nowhere, you don't need 100$m investments from some rich guys who probably know nothing about OW to run an event yet unless Blizzard where gaining from it they didn't give a shit.
When it comes to making games Blizzard are as good as anyone but when it comes to e-sports they are a joke, what have Blizzard themselves done for ANY game they have released over the last decade? I know nothing about Hots but how many tournaments do they run for that? or HS? or back when WC3 was huge how many did they run? they run like 1 arena tournament a year at Blizzcon for wow, why not throw in some chump change and host monthly tournaments? Blizzard are sitting on a massive pot of money yet still want investment just to run tournaments for their own games.
I wish the people that say Blizzard care about e-sports would actually prove it because I ain't seeing it.
il add my 2 cents again ;)
many of these tournaments not even died but were straight up killed by blizzard (amm most notably) with nothing from blizzard to replace it
blizzard has been killing tournaments and we got nothing in their place which resulted in 2nd half of 2017 being pretty much dead with only contenders (and owwc but thats kinda outside)
remiska [#21]il add my 2 cents again ;)
many of these tournaments not even died but were straight up killed by blizzard (amm most notably) with nothing from blizzard to replace it
blizzard has been killing tournaments and we got nothing in their place which resulted in 2nd half of 2017 being pretty much dead with only contenders (and owwc but thats kinda outside)
I think you guys are thinking too short term. They have a pretty ambitious vision for Overwatch. There is a decent chance for failure, but let’s say hypothetically 10 years from now the OWL, Contenders and open division are successful and larger, no one will even care that the monthly melee existed, 1 year of mediocre competitive play is a blip on the radar compared to what they want to achieve. If blizzards esports scene is going to be as big as they want it to be, they have to make large moves like this that could pay off or not. I think they proved they can build hype and market esports at the OWWC this year, and I think the branding and presentation to the OWL is mostly really well done. I’m optimistic
KoleeKo [#22]I think you guys are thinking too short term. They have a pretty ambitious vision for Overwatch. There is a decent chance for failure, but let’s say hypothetically 10 years from now the OWL, Contenders and open division are successful and larger, no one will even care that the monthly melee existed, 1 year of mediocre competitive play is a blip on the radar compared to what they want to achieve. If blizzards esports scene is going to be as big as they want it to be, they have to make large moves like this that could pay off or not. I think they proved they can build hype and market esports at the OWWC this year, and I think the branding and presentation to the OWL is mostly really well done. I’m optimistic
I think you are thinking too long term, do you know how many things have failed in life that had as much if not more ambition and vision? that doesn't equal success just so you know, Blizzard have taken a game with very little scene in e-sports and tried to make it absolutely massive, they could've taken baby steps to test out the water yet theyv'e dived right into OWL worth hundreds of millions on the back of ONE tournament and a WC that doesn't mean shit as well as averaging about 50k viewers?
You don't have to make large moves, you build up success yet Blizzard want to have success overnight, it's probably the most ambitious plan in e-sports history yet they have absolutely nothing to build on, one LAN that didn't even pit NA vs EU and a mickey mouse cup in the WC so no shit people are short term.
KoleeKo [#22]I think you guys are thinking too short term. They have a pretty ambitious vision for Overwatch. There is a decent chance for failure, but let’s say hypothetically 10 years from now the OWL, Contenders and open division are successful and larger, no one will even care that the monthly melee existed, 1 year of mediocre competitive play is a blip on the radar compared to what they want to achieve. If blizzards esports scene is going to be as big as they want it to be, they have to make large moves like this that could pay off or not. I think they proved they can build hype and market esports at the OWWC this year, and I think the branding and presentation to the OWL is mostly really well done. I’m optimistic
1st no, killing a year of competition is never a good thing
2nd in 10 years i really dont think we'll have same games on top of esport or at least not in this form (cs go is probably only example of esport game being on top for so long and it switched from 1.6 to go)
3rd last year owwc had similar number of viewers (except that this year we had national streams which added a lot of viewers) and it didnt require killing tournaments and still the number of viewers during owwc (which i dont think 1st season of owl will reach) when compared to dota 2 lol or cs go is pretty small
4th why do you call killing tournaments and not having anything in their place "large move"? its not big or important for building owl in any way, its just antycompetitive
and ill just add that, yes blizzard are greedy bastards when they want 20 million for spot in a game that is tier 2 esport when riot asks half of this for spot in the biggest esport game
robokun87 [#23]I think you are thinking too long term, do you know how many things have failed in life that had as much if not more ambition and vision? that doesn't equal success just so you know, Blizzard have taken a game with very little scene in e-sports and tried to make it absolutely massive, they could've taken baby steps to test out the water yet theyv'e dived right into OWL worth hundreds of millions on the back of ONE tournament and a WC that doesn't mean shit as well as averaging about 50k viewers?
You don't have to make large moves, you build up success yet Blizzard want to have success overnight, it's probably the most ambitious plan in e-sports history yet they have absolutely nothing to build on, one LAN that didn't even pit NA vs EU and a mickey mouse cup in the WC so no shit people are short term.
Well first, calm down lol. Second idk why you are so hung up on no EU NA crossover, seems like a pretty minor issue. Blizzard has been deliberate with its promotion of tournaments, I don’t recall any espn articles on Contenders, or any in game promotion, but they chose to for the World Cup. They’re obviously trying to stir hype at the right time, which I think is their biggest risk actually. I also don’t think a lot of tournaments translate to the viewership they want, im guessing they want many more mainstream viewers, and to them a saturation of a lot of games won’t automatically keep them around if they don’t mean much. That’s why I think OWL has too many matches as well
remiska [#24]1st no, killing a year of competition is never a good thing
2nd in 10 years i really dont think we'll have same games on top of esport or at least not in this form (cs go is probably only example of esport game being on top for so long and it switched from 1.6 to go)
3rd last year owwc had similar number of viewers (except that this year we had national streams which added a lot of viewers) and it didnt require killing tournaments and still the number of viewers during owwc (which i dont think 1st season of owl will reach) when compared to dota 2 lol or cs go is pretty small
4th why do you call killing tournaments and not having anything in their place "large move"? its not big or important for building owl in any way, its just antycompetitiveand ill just add that, yes blizzard are greedy bastards when they want 20 million for spot in a game that is tier 2 esport when riot asks half of this for spot in the biggest esport game
Whelp time will tell
KoleeKo [#25]Well first, calm down lol. Second idk why you are so hung up on no EU NA crossover, seems like a pretty minor issue. Blizzard has been deliberate with its promotion of tournaments, I don’t recall any espn articles on Contenders, or any in game promotion, but they chose to for the World Cup. They’re obviously trying to stir hype at the right time, which I think is their biggest risk actually. I also don’t think a lot of tournaments translate to the viewership they want, im guessing they want many more mainstream viewers, and to them a saturation of a lot of games won’t automatically keep them around if they don’t mean much. That’s why I think OWL has too many matches as well
Minor issue? having the best teams EU and NA have to offer on LAN and not making them play eachother is a minor issue? you kidding me on or what, what good is competitive e-sports if the best of each nation never play eachother? do you not want to see the best asia has to offer against the best na/eu have to offer?
Blizzard promoted the WC which was a mickey mouse tournament that didn't even involve any proper teams, it was a gimmick, why stir hype for a gimmick once a year tournament and not for one that actually matters? you don't promote one type of e-sports that's completely different to the one you're building up long term, that's as retarded as the NFL deciding to build a new super league then putting all the hype and promotion into a small gimmick cup that has nothing to do with the new super league.
Promote the OWL by having a LAN or at least a big online tournament involving the teams involved in OWL and have that as the pre-season then see what viewers you get, then that type of promotion would make sense but promoting the WC? ridiculous.
robokun87 [#27]Minor issue? having the best teams EU and NA have to offer on LAN and not making them play eachother is a minor issue? you kidding me on or what, what good is competitive e-sports if the best of each nation never play eachother? do you not want to see the best asia has to offer against the best na/eu have to offer?
Blizzard promoted the WC which was a mickey mouse tournament that didn't even involve any proper teams, it was a gimmick, why stir hype for a gimmick once a year tournament and not for one that actually matters? you don't promote one type of e-sports that's completely different to the one you're building up long term, that's as retarded as the NFL deciding to build a new super league then putting all the hype and promotion into a small gimmick cup that has nothing to do with the new super league.
Promote the OWL by having a LAN or at least a big online tournament involving the teams involved in OWL and have that as the pre-season then see what viewers you get, then that type of promotion would make sense but promoting the WC? ridiculous.
Well now you can have the best of Asia vs na/eu with apex Contenders now :) sorry for being so ridiculous
KoleeKo [#28]Well now you can have the best of Asia vs na/eu with apex Contenders now :) sorry for being so ridiculous
Bit late. we now have 12 man teams consisting of 2 Korean teams and a bunch of the best Europeans not even in the mix as well as so many new teams with zero experience in big games, it would've been good if we had that chance back when everyone was on the same team and in form don't you think?
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