DPS
Nesh, aKm, Mangachu

Nesh with the Genji, Tracer, Sombra and Widow. aKm with Mccree, Soldier, Reaper and Widow and Mangachu with the projectiles.

Tank/Flex
ChrisTFer, Gods, Snizzlenose, Zappis

Chris for main tanker, and Gods for offtanks. Gods can fill main tanks and most DPS heroes as well. Snizzlenose is the best Hog this game has seen, but he got cucked by Dva being so prevalent, so it's a no brainer in case the meta shifts towards Hog. Zappis is an all around player and was a great team captain.

Support
KnOxXx, Roolf, Hidan, NUT!

KnOxXx on the main support, always been a great shotcaller. Roolf has a crazy good Zen, and Hidan was a great Ana. Can also spread the possibilities with a Roolf Hidan support combo. Finally, NUT! for them Symmetra first point holds, EZ wins.

Nesh BlessRNG

Barça fan since my youngest years, played football for a long time too. If you can say that players insulting other players get sent off every time, I don't know what to say. You can see it easier in every rivalry game.
Perhaps it's different in Germany, which I don't really follow tbh, but every big league is the same in that regard.

It's common, and everyone knows it's in the heat of the moment, when the game ends, players shake hands and move on (except in small cases where it gets really personal).

I don't agree at all. Only squad that could compete is Korea, that is if what you mean by majority of established teams is everyone besides DF, old Rogue, LH and GC Busan (doesn't leave much established teams tbh).

It's an exhibition tournament, where most players don't have consistent playtime with their teammates throughout the year. Synergy is hard to build in a few weeks, where pros also have to scrim with their own team in the meantime. Can't be taken too seriously, although the WC 17 was much more stacked than last year's.

So for me it doesn't feel like a real tournament, and thus my reasoning for not counting it. Probably a Minor at best for now, or should just be listed as an exhibition/friendly tournament until it becomes a thing where pro players are given a proper schedule to prepare for it.

Well Korea has had the most Premier tournaments going on, west has the most Majors. So can't possibly rank decorated players if everybody can't participate in the same tournaments.
Also World Cups are listed as Premiers on Liquipedia, which doesn't make sense, so I won't count those in.

I'm gonna name players, and by extension their teams at the time :

1. Taimou, HarryHook, Cocco and Chipshajen have most Major wins (5) and 1 Premier win (APEX S1)
2. SoOn has 4 Major wins and 1 Premier win (Overwatch Open)
3. uNKOE, aKm, Winz and KnOxXx have 3 Major wins and 2 Premier wins (APAC 16 and Atlantic Showdown 16)

These are the most decorated players in the West (NA LuL).

Tobi, Ryujehong, Miro and Zunba have 1 Major win (Seoul Cup) and 2 Premier wins (doesn't feel fair not counting WCs because I personally believe they would've won them regardless, but little prep time, different team environment make them not feel like Premiers tbh).

These are easily the most decorated players in Korea.

Can't really compare, OWL should be the best starting point for such a ranking imo.

Only pro players are featured on the side bar. If there are not enough streaming to fill it, it pulls the streamers with the most viewers below them.

1k would be #6 and 2k #3 on Twitch right now wat

Sadly matchmaking has to be fixed on Blizzard's end first for these measures to actually be effective. Right now it's just smokescreen, just like Dafran's case was.

I actually said in a longer post in the first thread that an action should be taken for what he did, but not a 72 hour ban.

And it has been said many times about this, he had Djuggs in his games 5 times in a row before he started reporting him, so it doesn't matter if he did it at the start of it, he's not suddenly gonna swap off Sym and join voice chat. He shouldn't have reported him for cheating though and he got banned fair and square.

What he did was immature, but what Moonmoon, Tim, and some pros have done in their streams shouldn't be disregarded if one person gets banned.

Symmetra one-trick he had for 5 games in a row before he actually reported him. Refused to communicate or swap. Djuggs got suspended for disruptive gameplay.

xQc got banned because he reported him for cheating (as well as poor teamwork and griefing, both of which are correct in this instance).

Also, Moonmoon reported xQc for abusive chat and typed 'french canadian' in the box. Moonmoon won't get banned obviously. And I know it's for the memes, but the double standard is mind boggling.

How about soccer, fuckfest in cursing referees and players. So please just drop it, you're just digging deeper.

He got banned for false report, look up what you post before actually posting it.

And what's your Blizzard source ? Or you not liking somebody is enough for you to say whatever it is you wanna say ?

For the 100th time, he didn't get banned for toxicity. Get your facts straight, and stop doubling on posts, it's pointless.

He used to pull 1 to 2k viewers when he was streaming consistently. He stopped streaming for months, other people started streaming/got bigger viewerbase. Talespin is a big fan favourite.

I have seen him multiple times reporting mercy or junkrat players for "cheating"

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I'll say this though, I didn't see that at the time, but I would've probably done the same after watching the VOD. Playing with/against a thrower multiple times in a row has its limits on one's patience. He went too far, but Blizzard went even further.

A random guy takes a clip out of context and literally gets a pro player suspended.
https://twitter.com/ryanshearer7997/status/931702771354660865

Sad days and stellar work from the Blizzard management team.

This isn't about toxicity though, xQc didn't get banned for toxicity either. I've watched Fuey multiple times and he's one of the nicest guys and very good at Torb. But he doesn't swap off Torb when he needs to/his team wants him to. Makes people tilt and rightfully so.
I've heard people be really mean to him on stream and it's a big feelsbad, but what do you do when you need to run dive and you have a Torb that refuses to swap ? Do you just take the L instead of actually trying to win the game ?

It's a big circle. You one trick niche heroes -> people get tilted -> people are toxic towards you (some sadly push it too far) -> you give up on joining voice chat (in some cases) -> people get even more tilted.
Add 2 heroes to your hero pool, and everything will be way better. One tricks are selfish, and it's the sad truth.

I agree with the role select though, would make ranked that much more bearable for most people.

Do you actually know why he reported that guy before the game even started or not ? He had him the games before and he refused to join voice chat and work with them at all, actually threw the game. Put context into clips instead of just blindly sharing them ;)

And 'fuck you' actually shocks people now. Please.
It certainly isn't the nicest thing but reading match chats and hearing voice chats, I'm pretty sure way worse things have been said.
But hey, how do we send a message to the largest number of people possible with minimum thought ? Let's just ban the guy with 8k viewers for 3 days, that'll make people stop wrongfully using the report system. KEK.

I see what you mean, but those heroes are viable in certain scenarios only. Once they stop working, those people refuse to swap, leave voice (if they ever join it) and keep on playing, or in some cases jump off the map/run at the enemy with a hammer equipped etc.

That is in fact the problem with some one tricks. You can't force teams to play around you for you to play whatever hero you wanna play, that's extremely selfish, and makes some people tilt relatively easily.
Sometimes you gotta compromise, and you'd be surprised how many people would be friendlier to one tricks if they were willing to swap when they're not doing anything in a game.

Either you ban everyone for doing the same thing or you don't. The process of going through all reports is obviously very exhausting, but shouldn't make one person pay (more then others that do worse things) and let others slide.

To all the people saying this will work, Dafran got banned for a full season, and there are arguably more throwers now than when he was playing. So please, don't be so naive as to this being a symbol for change in community behaviour.
People will still troll in reports and in general, still throw, still be toxic.

Let's say Sinatraa, JAKE or Flame got banned, do you think this topic would've gained the same traction ? Heeeeeeeellz fucking no. This is their plan, and it ain't a good one.

Don't say it if you can't back it up then. Plain and simple. This is how false rumours start.

Yes, that's EXACTLY what poor teamwork reporting is for. If you missed it go look for a blue post on the battlenet forums explaining it. If you lock a detrimental to the team comp hero and refuse to join voice chat and at least help with comms, you get the ban too.
HOW SURPRISING FOR A TEAM GAME TO ACTUALLY RELY ON TEAM PLAY SHERLOCK. But sure, enlighten me bud.

And that's the general consensus for people who don't like him, he wouldn't have 5+k subs and pull 6-7k viewers daily if the general consensus was he was a twat now would he ?
He does deserve some sort of a ban, not a 3 day.

Get the clip where he actually reports them for cheating. He may report them for griefing or poor teamwork, but not for cheating.

Let me start by saying that some kind of punishment is completely warranted in this case. The way he's been reporting isn't fine and should be addressed. I too turn off his stream when he goes too far sometimes, but this isn't the way to rid the community of toxicity. You think the guy jumps on the grind every morning waiting to be toxic to random people ?

The irony in this is, 30 or so minutes prior to his ban, his computer crashed for like 3 minutes, came back to his game, WON IT, and STILL lost 50 SR. Also, as he said, he's been stream sniped (which is fine on its own) by a guy (Gabe2004) who'd throw when on his team constantly, and tryhard (7) when against him, and it took 2 months before he got banned.
Reddit makes one post, and he gets banned within the day.

Maybe before laying down the bans, Blizzard needs to look into its ranked system. Matchmaking in higher ranks has been a joke for what, 4 seasons now ? xQc got put in (less than a 4 minute queue at that iirc) with a BRONZE and a bunch of plats after the last patch hit. A fucking bronze. And to whoever says 'Oh but that happens every time a patch hits, MM is just bugged'. That is not OK! Has been going for months.

And the biggest joke of all, THEY BANNED HIM MID-GAME. I could name you, off the top of my head, 5 or 6 people involved in OWL (plus big name streamers) who have been 'wrongfully using the report system'/toxic/throwing btw. The only one who got it was the guy with 8-9k viewers, that's a third of OW viewership on twitch at the time.
Sending a message is fine, great even, scapegoating isn't. People are free to dislike the person, but shouldn't act like they've never been bad teammates just because what they do isn't available to the public.

People are so quick to ride the ban one tricks train, but when it's Stevo or Fuey everyone starts crying about it. If you think this will affect how lower ranked people will behave, you're sadly mistaken. They're using the big name to hopefully make everyone behave imo, but that's wishful thinking to say the least.

Unless you can pull a clip of him reporting someone, who isn't cheating, for cheating, I'd suggest you refrain from saying this. I watch his stream quite often and he cancels a bunch of his reports, he just does it for the memes.
The fact of the matter is, he reported a Sym one trick not joining voice chat, and I'm interested in knowing if that account got banned, cause if not, this whole thing is a joke.

Yes, he deserves some kind of action for what he did, but suspending people who actually ruin comp games for their fun for 1 day, and giving him a 3 day ban makes absolutely no sense. This is scapegoating at its finest. Using the popular streamer to send a message. He's been doing it, and countless others (I emphasize on this), since the start of the game, so now they decide to take action when it's a legitimate report ? How he reported is absolutely not right, the why is totally legitimate.

Same here, but I'm on garbage settings so not expecting much anyway..

Maybe you're on low settings ?

Hotaruz wasn't coach btw, so either Legit was bound to be a coach regardless, or Sephi became GM and Legit will assist him in coaching.

There is not one pro Zarya that is constantly at 40 charge, they wouldn't play Zarya otherwise.
I'll say perhaps you saw the one or two game where he didn't pop off on Zarya, but since Contenders, he's been playing very good imo.

That was my feeling about Manneten exactly. Never thought much of him until Contenders. In WC he just rolled.
Zebbo is like Knoxxx/Winz, he has a mind for the game, not necessarily the flashiest of Lucios. His Zarya and Widow when in Misfits were sick too.
And apparently Logix and Tviq were pushing for additions to the roster, so I kinda agree that they'll pick it up after mid-season signings. I wouldn't rank them at the bottom, but my prediction right now is #7 or 8 at most, just cause they're lacking depth with the current roster.

His Zarya is bad ??!
And why are we talking about nanoboost ? The only Zarya that gets constantly nano'd is Zunba.

I don't necessarily agree with most of what you said, but Manneten is hands down the best Swedish player right now, and top 2 EU flex player.

No, details will be made available if his family wishes so. Imagine scrolling through threads/tweets of people paying respects and then there's that person who just asks how'd he die/what happened to him ?

Not saying it comes from a bad place, it's just not mannered, moreso in public. There's a difference between thinking something and actually saying it.
And OD is not by any stretch of the mind a common way for a 30 year old to die, but that's another topic.

He left a great mark on the Overwatch game and community alike, people should leave it at that.

I came home drunk dude, legit thought it was the finals LuL

Actually impressive how he's still pulling the crazy plays after being inactive for so long. It's a for fun tournament obviously, but still impressive.

Also Arc6 remain kings of koth, their clutch potential is insane.

GGs, tournament was fun to watch.

Zza v Talespin up next. Pog. Champ.

The world needs to see his Hog in Contenders. Some hooks he got on Talespin were flat out nutty.

They will.

That's most of the OG Northern Gaming Red squad too FeelsNostalgiaMan

You think ? Less quality for the OWL exhibition games was my reasoning if a few changes go through a week or so prior, but I guess every team would be ready for Ana to be back. Didn't think about the APAC situation so you might be right actually.

Will be played on the current one most likely, since there will be next to no time to prepare well for the next patch. Season will start on the new one.

It's just a third Jebaited Congrats dude.

And yes, hopefully we'll see the remainder of french players from the 2 teams soon.

Backpedaling is unbecoming.

Peace.

It’s not rational whatsofuckingever to start inquiring about how someone died. This ain’t high school gossip, it’s real life, grow up. Besides, what’s it gonna do to know how he passed ? Absolutely nothing.

Have some dignity and respect his family’s privacy.

Also, this needs to come out.

STOP FUCKING ASKING WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM! So many people just wanting to know details of his passing, it blows my mind. Have some fucking respect for fuck's sake.

He said in a twitlonger that he got offers from a few teams for S2 and that he couldn't talk about it yet.

I couldn't believe it when I saw the picture on the website. What a news to wake up to :(

Biggest condolences to friends and family, this is a sad day. Rest in peace Hulk.

THRO88ING

Yeah he is.

http://overwatch.gamersorigin.com/news/6593-fin-de-l-aventure-overwatch-pour-gamersorigin

The article is in french but it's basically the same reasons that many other orgs had to drop their roster. OWL required entry fee and the uncertainty surrounding the professional scene made it tough for them.

So many revelations from the Contenders squad, Poko, BenBest, Leaf, Hqrdest, Hyp and Pipou really did something incredible. Hopefully we'll get to see some of them in Contenders S2.
Leaf is doing a stream tonight at 8pm CEST to talk more about what's in the future and all, I'll update this thread if I'm home to watch it.

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