YARG kicked by Lunatic-Hai for boosting and account-selling violations

CommanderX

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LH have other people who can play his role but a growing concern that more and more pros are involved in boosting. Are wages not particularly good for ow players? Is that why so many go in this direction?

wentaway

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I don't think wages are the issue, the point is, there have always been plenty of guys who go for the easy way to get more money, and there will always be.

As a loosely related example, the betting scandal we had in Italy Serie A (football), people getting paid millions and still betting on their own matches.

I know it sounds harsh, but pros who cheat/boost/bet should get banned from pro-competitive games for life, couple fo games or months bans won't fix it.

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KuroiRyuu9625

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Wages ARE a problem for Korean players. Not sure if you remember this but it's been said multiple times that outside of LH players were getting on par or lower than some part time jobs. Even the KDP or more famously, the LW players.

I'm not defending boosting, specially in Korea where, in some cases, can be considered illegal but your example shows some level of ignorance being used as a statement.

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Nobody forces anyone to play Overwatch, if someone wants more money and can't get them from playing Overwatch, well the world is full of other jobs/works.

The example fits with my premise Kuroi, and it's that doesn't matter how much one gets paid, you'll always find dishonest guys trying to get more money using illecit ways.

Again is not about wages is about YARG (in this case), else every player in Korea except for LH ones will be doing it and it won't probably be considered "illegal".

EDIT: just to make it clear low wages are not to be accepted without questions, but there are other ways to fix the issue, "cheating" is just selfish you fix the issue for yourself (by breaking rules), who the f cares of the others.

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CommanderX

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Since posting that some people have mentioned that the money you can make off boosting is actually pretty huge, higher than a lot of wages anyway. So I think that would also contribute to the large amount that we hear about.

Combined with other factors people have mentioned.

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wentaway

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But I still believe that's not the real reason, people downfrags my post and I guess it's about the "you can do something else than being a pro at OW" part, but that's the brutal truth.

Not every job/work can "be good" for you, even if you are good at it, adults end up realising it sooner or later, so you either choose to go on, ingoring the fact it doesn't pay much and maybe try to change it "from the inside" (which means, do these guys have someone to represent them? If not they should, do they speak to eahcother? Ever thought of planning actual strikes?), or if you really need money you find another occupation.

Cheating (whatever form it might take) is never the good answer, can bring you much more money, but should also go along with very strict punishments, even more so for jobs that exist ONLY 'cause of viewership, else you pass along to the audience the message:
"look this job is fun, pays like shit, but ehi you can also make money cheating and you'll get a pass even when caught".

P.S. suggestion is if you really find a job you like, instead of ingoring the fact it pays like shit and find shady ways to make more money, fight to change it, with your collegues, they should be your mates in this, not someone you try to outsmart, 'cause in this case there's someone else who's outsmarting you all, the company/team/whatever you work for, as the money is there, it just doesn't arrive to you.

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KuroiRyuu9625

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Right but if you understand Korean culture you also know how much time they invest into the game. Take Kaiser as an example, AFAIK he hasn't been involved in boosting but it's also publicly known that he is going through tough finial times with his family situation and all.

No one is saying boosting is the correct choice you make. But you MUST understand why they might think it is instead of only focusing on the "cheating is bad" part of your argument. The suggestions you're giving do not even remotely apply to them. Remember that your way of thinking doesn't apply here, because this is Korea, not NA or EU.

Look it up if you need more context, because it seems to me like you're failing to understand how strong the motivation behind this, and why it's so rampant.

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Lou

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And yet this is their profession, where they invest a ton of time and you would expect their salary to allow that, comfortably.

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WeepZurkon

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In korea yes. Players are paid chicken seed

Pixelfish

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Damn. So many issues about boosting as of late.

Hater

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Well then, who are they gonna pick up to replace him when the next have to take disciplinary actions on Whoru.
Would be kind of cool to see them snipe someone like Sp9rk1e from element mystic, or maybe.

Also it seems to be rather common that these players who are becoming known for boosting scandals are the ones who have been directly picked up out of Korean ranked which might mean we see less players being picked up off ladder in the future / or possibly much more strict vetting by teams when they look for players out of ranked

robokun87

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What's wrong with these Asian players? all I seem to hear about are the Asian players doing something wrong and either getting fined or kicked from the team, it's becoming a more regular occurrence.

Mert

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Keep in mind that these violations are deemed to be much more serious in Chinese and Korean culture and thus are more heavily punished/talked about. Plenty of Western players have committed similar offences.

robokun87

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What western players have been caught doing the same thing?

Mert

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Not throwing anyone under the bus because I don't enjoy the witchunty culture which that promotes, but if you dig a little you'll easily find examples

twerp

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2 players for boosting? what?

babybay is on an OWL team and has cheated in FPS competitively not so long ago. he's not really scrutinized for it, but that doesn't make account sharing a worse offense just because fines were received for it.

whoru was benched basically for just "having an ego." compare and contrast to some of the most popular western OWL players.

also there's a player on a top western team who dropped the hard R on stream and received no punishment or scrutiny.

it's different standards of professionalism

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wentaway

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Totaly agree, but maybe that's one of the reasons why the Koreans are better at OW than NA/EU guys?

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CamRa

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Dellor’s in OWL? First I’ve heard of it.

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twerp

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don't even know who that is

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Wombat

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My ignorance is showing here but what's the hard R?

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CamRa

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The full N-word.

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JohnC9na

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Taimou naming his TF2 team "anders brevik did nothing wrong"

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Wayfarer

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I dont see how someones old bad behavior is related to cheating/hacking.
But ya know stay salty.

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penda

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That dude who dropped the hard r got kicked from his team and has never been heard from again

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twerp

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i'm talking about someone in OWL lol

also if you're talking about reaver, that's not why he was never heard from again. he left willingly

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Wayfarer

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Hes talking about Dellor.