This has been addressed by splitting the world cup teams into their own region. Merging them would make the ranking inaccurate all around since only France/Rogue and Australia/BLANK would be affected.

Good on him to secure himself in the long term. Right now things are extremely uncertain for some of the players like Fl0w3r and Janus and since nothing was confirmed for him either he just might be better off.

Really hope team management gets their shit together under the new organization so that these guys aren't left out in the cold.

No clue, apparently you can't even mention the need for basics such as respect.

You have absolutely 0 legs to stand on to call anyone stupid by the way, your opinion can very well be expressed without added jab.

Almost feels like this website is going to end up needing mods just to police the people that get offended by comments on the internet and that feel the need to retaliate.

In my opinion he has enough skill to be in the league but that's largely unimportant, as is every other person's opinion in this thread.

He either will or won't be and I'm not sure why so many people are taking this to heart. Whether it's the Seagull fanboys that swear he's the best thing ever, or the haters that think he's complete shit and nothing but a streamer. Everyone in between is labeled on one side or the other regardless of how their comments are formulated. The one you just now posted is a nice example of it.

It's not hard to have an opinion and to disagree with someone else without being offended by the fact that they don't share the same views as you. I don't understand the level of difficulty so many people have with this. The stupidity of some of the counter arguments from either directions is mind blowing since all of them are just opinions.

Respect is a thing, even when online.

Preff F to pay your respects to Flash Lux.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them either disband or go for a full rebuild after this season. Hopefully Fleta hasn't been decimated by his time in this team and can get picked up by an org that can surround him with proper talent and support.

I think KDP wins 3-0

Edit: Added the prediction no one expected, Kappa.

Here it is ladies and gentlemen, NCFC vs LH2. It's the battle of the cool kids with the cool name vs the cool kids with the shitty name.

In all seriousness LH2 should probably roll here as they dismantled the team that beat the FatCats. As I previously mentioned I think it's very important for LH2 to roll through challengers and come into super week as the heavy favorites if they want to be a serious Contender when APEX Season 5 rolls around.

According to him he will be in but couldn't say with who. I took it with a grain of salt because I don't know if it means he's just confident about getting in or if he already has an offer he can't divulge but I guess it's something one way or another.

For what it's worth I do think he has the skills to be in OWL and his particular hero pool is one that can serve many teams. It remains to be seen if he can be a core part of a roster since he hasn't been in the pro scene for so long but having him on board a team in some capacity is probably more beneficial than not having him at all given his popularity.

I think both sides are the argument are valid mostly because of his most recent results, which aren't recent at all, and the fact that we just haven't seen him in that type of setting for so long. In the end actions speak louder than words so true judgement, aka anything more than speculation, should be reserved for when we do see him on the battlefield of Overwatch.

Hadn't thought about that, and as a Canadian I 100% approve o this message.

MVP Space looked real good against LH, though the latter hadn't had a chance to practice to to the OWC, but they still look relatively strong.

Runaway needs a 3-1 or better to move on so it's a tall order, anD I'm really hoping they can pull through here.

Who ever wins here gets to more than likely avoid getting picked by KDP, or any of the other top finishing teams, so there's still something else to play for other than pride.

KNC took down NC FatCats, yes i'll be calling them as such forever, let's see if the team with the 2nd best name, LH2, can avenge them.

Agreed, I still had hopes they would somehow get it together after winning Gibraltar but it just didn't happen. Overall though they looked more competitive in their matches against both FaZe and Rogue than they did against nV and eV, so I'll take the scraps of positivity and make a good thing out of it.

If they keep improving they have a realistic chance of winning their next three matches, with tKUN probably being the most difficult remaining team they have to face.

Orgs that seem to have an interest and the capabilities to join OWL are sticking around. Also note that in some cases it was the players that decided to part ways in order to have a better chance at OWL.

In this context it was only a matter of time before the current OW landscape was going to chance drastically. We'll need to wait and see to find out if it's for the better or not, but that's no where near enough to claim that OW is dying at the moment.

Hyped is better on Zarya while Envy is better on D.Va, so unless they were planning on only running the Rein/Zarya/Doomfist/McCree or other Zarya comps I'm not sure they'd do better with Hyped in as much as I like the guy.

The team clearly has issues syncing up and with the massive changes almost every other team has brought to their squads they seem to have gotten markedly better at dive while IMT stayed the same or got worst.

I still believe they can win this even though FNRGFE managed to beat Rogue, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think that IMT win 3-2, but there's a very high chance they get upset again if they can't figure their shit out.

Fahzix will most likely not be able to participate in this match.

His tweet:
https://twitter.com/Fahzix_/status/904490208309239808

Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6xwqyz/fahzix_has_unexpected_surgery_will_probably_miss/

There's a large amount of talent available that could sub in for him so I hope they manage to find one that gels well with the squad so they can get the win here. Will go a very long way in securing them a top 4 finish if they can take out their most immediate competition.

Carpe vs Soon, the only match up I'm looking forward to in this game. If Rogue manage to win this they have an actual chance of making it back to the top 4 if they can win all their remaining matches save for the one against EnvyUs.

That being said, I think FaZe wins 3-1.

Even though Rogue showed some new looks against IMT it probably won't be enough to take down the insane duo that FaZe is sporting.

Maybe not, think SK vs everyone else in their group. It was an actual speed run, but entertaining as heck.

I mean...gotta find some way to spin the incoming train wreck in a positive manner.

Oh, and obviously I think nV win 4-0, in an extremely flashy and entertaining fashion.

Edit: Added prediction.

As much as Rogue looked one dimensional against FNRGFE, IMT are even worst right now. Grim needs to step it up, he's just not cutting it, whether he needs to change his play style or just not play the Tracer into Soon, something needs to change.

Fate keep jumping in early and/or too far and getting focused, and Kariv is ulting even earlier than Unkoe giving the advantage over to Rogue.

Not sure why they're so disconnected right now but they certainly have many issues that have not been addressed.

Edit: IMT focus fire is almost non existent, just all over the place.

I might be misinterpreting your comment, but if you mean that OW is dying, there's a good chance the Org wasn't looking to, or able to get into OWL, and if that's what the players were hoping for disbanding makes sense.

Sinatraa just got signed for $150k, but yeah, OW sure is dying.

Meza...we need your talents again.

NRG just got legit. I realize I may eat my words later, cause NRG, but...THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN FUCK THIS UP NOW.

One one side you have Linzr hard carrying that last map, and on the other you have Leaf literally keeping his push alive with one very well timed punch.

Very much looking forward to seeing if EnVision can take their new found success and take it to EnvyUs. Like most opinions here I think the latter is a cut above all of the other teams in Contenders NA but we could see the upstarts taking a map.

I think Envy wins 3-1

EnVision could take the Assault map, but if they don't this should be a 4-0 for Envy.

I'll give you half points for it.

Looks like the whole roster was dropped by Team Expert as per Veinless.

His tweet:
https://twitter.com/Veineless/status/904394368869691392

Looks like we're gonna need another Meza intervention here...

Zappis + Davin = Creation of a new universe.

I'd have to disagree on Rogue having the better chances. They have yet to play EnvyUs or FaZe while IMT already has. Add to that the fact that they just lost to FNRGFE and it's not looking good. I fully believe IMT has a realistic chance of winning enough matches to get in since their issues seem to lie in coordination instead of lacks in hero pool.

I think IMT win this 3-1 or 3-2.

After tonight's loss to FNRGFE I'd say Rogue look even more shaky than IMT, though not by much. I do think that IMT is in a better place because they're in a better position to adapt to the changing meta, where as Rogue don't have the players/roles to get it done, imo.

Will be interesting who comes out on top tomorrow to maybe give themselves a chance at making top 4.

I guess people didn't like me comparing Mykl to Bunny on #13 haha! I SMELL A CONSPIRACY!!!

EnvyUs just styling on them with Taimou on Pharah, he was actually shooting at them while on the ground. Beautiful stuff.

Seeing Kungarna getting absolutely dumpstered by a Junkrat Taimou is making me extremely happy.

Not gonna lie, I chuckled wen I daw that graphic.

He did on twitter, the response was hilarious.

100% agree, they don't have the hero pools to win in this new meta. Right now the only players I can see being relatively safe are Soon, Unkoe and Winz (if he decide to call it a day they can move Knoxx back).

They need a flexible main tank, an actual flex tank player and a flex dps with a relatively wide pool. I know Soon can play some other heroes but unless they can pull an EnvyUs he's probably better staying on the Tracer since h's so effective.

The other solution is to just dump the whole squad and start fresh, maybe even dump the all french thing they got if they can't find solid talent that slots in.

I agree that they've looked better when he runs the D.Va but I think that's because the current meta requires it. His Genji is actually pretty good when given the space he needs to capitalize on Soon's engagements. It's not at SDB levels but it's high enough not to be a liability, meta permitting.

If D.Va becomes less of a requirement I can see them trying out the triple DPS comp again to see if it works.

Rogue's starts just seem so weak and predictable. They actually tried the same thing 4 times before they decided to change it up and actually take the first point.

It's like they can't figure out new comps/strats to use effectively and just default to the ones others have now had over 8 months to figure out. Note that I'm not including AKM's Sombra play, since it was...really bad, a lot of EMPs being used when no one else is around to follow up.

Really disappointing showing from Rogue, this complete lack of adaptability needs to be addressed in one way or another.

Looks like Nesh is what they were missing. Unfortunate that they couldn't get it going until the last map, cause that was an impressive Gibraltar hold.

C9 looking like they can still compete but I'm not sure how they'll fare against Gigantic next week or the following one against 123.

Soon is just hard carrying Rogue right now, this isn't looking good seeing how Unkoe is always getting left to die to the enemy Tracer.

I think the D.Va changes might allow them to go back to triple DPS considering how difficult it's been for them to run an effective D.Va on either Nico or AKM.

Saturday Sept 2nd

123 vs eUnited

• 123 wins 3-1

BP vs C9

• C9 wins 4-0
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Sunday Sept 3rd

TS vs Misfits

• Misfits wins 4-0

TG vs GO

• TG wins 3-1

I think I'll revisit this after the Kun vs eV match, but even then I'd only be comparing them according to what they look like now. Impossible to tell what state either team will be three weeks from now, or if this match will even have any actual impact on who qualifies.

Will need to be revisited after the supposed roster lockouts happen as well.

1246 still looking shaky. If they lose this match they will be mathematically eliminated, even though their current chances are already extremely low.

Having a variety of set plays is important, but they're not something you pull out during tournament matches. They need to be practiced and executed to a certain level of proficiency if they're to be successful against the other top team in the tournament.

They are mathematically guaranteed to qualify yes, I don't think that teams would settle on that, and I'm not sure it had anything to do with not getting figured out later on, they just weren't effective in what they tried to run.

If EnVision would have faced FaZe right after their match with IMT I'd have given them the edge. Their engagements looked better against IMT but the latter has also been improving even if it wasn't enough to get them the win.

Man for man I think FaZe has the better players, but strat wise EnVision seems cleaner and more effective. Three weeks is a long time though so I think we have to wait until we're a lot closer for this match to be really relevant, too much can change until then.

I felt like the McCree/Doomfist worked more often then not, but they had Winston/D.Va tanks instead of the Rein/Zarya so they were often left vulnerable, on top of having Mercy with no Pharah.

Running standard dive might have been better to deal with MY than the shitty hybrid they were trying.

In my opinion they lost this match because of comps.

LGD's strats and comps were baffling to me, they really could have won this but it almost feels like they're imitating LH, refusing to adjust when things aren't working.

They ran a Mercy for almost the entirety of the match. It didn't work. The Sombra play was pretty bad, and that D.Va only comp was just plain stupid considering what MY was running.

This was a very frustrating match to watch if you were an LGD fan.

Not quite sure I understand LGD's D.Va as a main tank comp. It hasn't worked at all and yet they still tried to run it at least three times. Almost lost them Control and allowed for a once push 1st pt cap of King's Row.

At this point I'm just happy to see a team that I, and many others, had just written off as being the weakest by far come back and take this tournament by storm.

If they win tomorrow they are almost guaranteed a top 4 spot, without even having faced FNRGFE yet. EnVision representing Canada, with a bunch of Americans, a Fin and a Brit, showing that we can do more than just play hockey...and Lacrosse.

Would be awesome if they had the backing for an OWL spot, and maybe picked up a few Canadians along the way, but for now I hope they make it far, cause I used to believe, but now I EnVision.

I believe it is, but it was also...very bad, to say the least. AFAIK his effective, albeit with varying levels of "effectiveness", list of heroes is as such:

Pharah
Roadhog
Zarya
Hanzo
Soldier
D.Va (newest addition)

The list is in no particular order and let me know if I missed any. But I think this is a solid list in terms of flexibility in his main role as flex tank as well as niche picks. I think he'd be a very good asset to any teams looking for a flex tank that can Pharah/Soldier if he can improve the heroes he's not as proficient on.

I think those expectations needed to be adjusted immediately after the first match they played and even more so after the loss to EnVision. EnvyUs is good but you can't get destroyed like that if you're to be competing for the top position.

As for Hyped I'd love to see him as well, but there's no guarantee it would have changed anything realistically. Hopefully they can turn it around and win the next 4 games to squeeze into 4th place and the playoffs, but I'm not quite holding my breath for that.