https://twitter.com/fighteR_ow/status/932256577758924800
https://twitter.com/carnifexOW/status/932346230889426945
Both represented Italy in OWC. Carnifex is a very good hitscan. Someone pick them up.
https://twitter.com/fighteR_ow/status/932256577758924800
https://twitter.com/carnifexOW/status/932346230889426945
Both represented Italy in OWC. Carnifex is a very good hitscan. Someone pick them up.
Yea...the italian best players are probably Carnifex and Nisa( the zen/ana but most important mercygod now on Mkers) and probably link( he played genji in OWC but he is a roadgod and is really flexible). Im not a bog fan of the one who played wiston cause i think there are better italian main tank( legol and poinT) but he is not that bad. Also fighteR is not a bad player but italian scene make him like a god when he is only a pretty decent/good playrr.
Edit: the , probably, only one player who can aspire OWL is Nisa...i really hope he can take the light he deserves to let people see his amazing ability( maybe also link can say something for OWL but i am not really sure about that)
Fortunatly i am out of the italian scene so i can have some better judgment..... i am not talking of their italian level but of a possible future in eu who are two really different things....fighteR literaly dissapear when he is against a team better then the one in wich he is in. Just thinks at Takeover 2 qualifiers....Pow3r ( who is a pretty good player) fighteR and Carnifex plus Draceus and Art1er( so a team with better names) lose in the first turn against Team YP while the team with Bimbz Nisa and link( plus Tek and Juv3nile who are really good players but not rated hig as art1er plus draceus at time) beat Team Expert Valfard and put off a great game against Hammers....Neither fighteR neither cerys arrived at any time at such a big results....just because Nisa link and Bibmz doesnt play in the italian scene that doesnt mean they are worst than the players who rule it......( and they are better of them). Also Legol reinhartd is better than Cerys and poinT archieved more than probably everyone on the italian scene....dont let italian level overlap european one they are really different things....just watch OWC fighteR got ruled out while Nisa was the one who really was able to say something
Also from Hal report seems like the only two main tanks they tried were Hinu and Cerys( while Hinu is also not a main tank)....
"fighteR literaly dissapear when he is against a team better then the one in wich he is in" this sentence doesnt make sense at all.
No italian player (including nisa bimbz and link) ever achieved something important on the eu scene, they are good players and are better than almost every other players in italy but that doesnt mean they are top tier either, legol's rein might be mechanically better than both point and cerys, but from a "role" perspective he's not anywhere near cerys's skill level.
Also nisa and bimbz lost against epok in the last open division, an only italian lineup (in which fighter and cerys are in), and they lost with players such as ryb and txao inside which are probably 10 times all of the aforementioned players in terms of achievements.
Now i don't know where you heard they only tried out hinu and cerys but i can assure they weren't the only one so stop talking about things you probably don't fully comprehend
Well actually i know EU T2 scene and Mkers team actually has no identity....good backup but no dps( danye is not that good and txao on dps is a monotracer so they have to make Tek flex to dps because he is better than txao on normal hitscan and with ryb more able on rein than wiston so they didnt run Dva and tracer who are the speciality of Tek and Txao...plus they dont have a real projectile cause dayne is mainly an hitscan...)
Bimb link and Nisa where the most near on the Takeover and probably is the most important results of italian players in eu scene. And for fighteR....really watch him palying against a better team than the one he is in and he literaly dissaper just watch OWC....fighteR was dead every team i was asking myself where he was....he had the ability but not the mentality imho....in his stream ( at least befor summer) he was always saying that the fault was of someone else when they were losing and this make sense cause he dont improve on playsense style. The problem of Italy is that they give importance to the wrong players..this is why no one archieved nothing.
What do you mean a team like mkers has no identity, they have a roster with VERY experienced players like Ryb ( who dominated NA scene with c9 for months, over teams like faze and immortals, he also had the opportunity to play a whole season of apex ), Txao is a very talented zarya/tracer and he played for ROX mainly, danye is a good dps aswell and tek is a good offtank mainly shining on dva, nisa and bimbz are reliable supports, how can you say a team like this with a coaching staff behind is a team with no identity, you're actually clueless and the fact that you're describing those big names and the fact that they lost to players you never even quoted when going on about rants in the italian scene, makes me think you have actually no idea and you're biased, plus looking
back during takeover they had a worse roster than the one they have now ( but you're still supposed to improve during time than getting worse, even if you swap rosters )
and if you think getting fourth to a lan qualifier and 16th-9th to the first (with meta picks favoring your current roster) is anything close to something as an achievement i don't honestly know the validity of your opinon.
"i am not talking of their italian level but of a possible future in eu" Using your own words considering that italian players with little to none experience that you haven't even named beating players that milited in tier1 teams and korea, makes me think you in the first place are giving attenction to the wrong players "The problem of Italy is that they give importance to the wrong players ". About fighteR i actually have no idea why you're judging a player based on his performance in a mix against formed teams like sweden and australia, especially because he has a tank role (a role that looks good or bad almost exclusively on the performance of the team, easy to bash a losing team tank) and also you're judging a player based on his mentality in a competitive queue, some have a positive attitude towards it and others don't but the majority of players have a totally different mindset when it comes to playing in a team.
About Mkers my point is that imho thwy didnt have the right composition of players....tek is forced on dps and danye is a main hitscan who is playing projectile....also Tek speciality is Dva but Ryb ones is reinhartd and this is something not good for the synergy. They are all great players but not all fit togheter in a team as heropool. If you search on twitch the game they made against Golden Sausage you will understand what i mean. Imho if they works well togheter i think they will be able to be ready in the next contenders but for now they have this type of problem.
Also fighteR problem is not now...when i watch him on No heaven or Wip you van clearly see the differences when he was playing against a good or a bad team. Against the bad team he was like the chuck norris. But with the first problems he disapper. This is why i relate this to his mentality. Its easy to be a god with players worse than you. Also i think some players have the mindset but not the mechanical to plays in EU but it is all about training. Mindset is different. Just thinks about Epok they are ruling italin scene from a lot of time but they never archieved something on Eu level a part of the last Open Divison. I truly hope fighteR can change his mindset and go rule the EU cause he has skill...but italian scen overrate him.
I am so angry with italian scene cause we are wasting options....when can say something but we need a move.
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