Movistar Riders contracts expire, players free agents

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Above Meza's :candle: club

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The great Meza will soon make his appearance.

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Meza where r u

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In the airport ,flight has a lil delay ;candle:

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Meza on the flight to Shanghai where he's gonna show off some Romanian strats and then light a :candle: for his fallen enemies PogChamp

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Has there ever been an e-sports title that's went to shit as fast as OW has? every single day you expect to read about yet another org leaving the game and I won't be shocked if another does the same tomorrow.

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To copy what I wrote on the other article:

Because Blizzard are making it pretty clear that they're not looking at attracting endemic e-sports organisations, they're interested in the bigger money from traditional sports orgs. They've not said there'll be any incentives for existing orgs in the OWL, in fact they seem to be heading towards the opposite, where teams pick and choose from free agents. Therefore it's better for orgs to drop teams, see how it goes, then if it's looking up again pick up players from the ever-growing free agent pool.

The doomsayers will tell you overwatch e-sports is dying. I think (hope) in reality the scene is going to change dramatically, and the scene as we know it now might die, but to be replaced with something bigger.

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Another could well do the same tomorrow but it still doesn't mean the game is dying. We all lack line of sight into what Blizzard is doing and for some that's concerning.

For others it's business as usual. I myself am not fond of not knowing what's going to happen to my new favorite game at the top level but I can't panic, because I don't have access to enough information to justify it. You could say I lack vision, and that the end is already upon us, but I think you're falling into the echo chamber trap that we're in, mainly because, again, Blizz hasn't given out enough information and folks feel compelled to filled the gaps with their opinions.

I can't call you wrong for having the impression that OW is in trouble, but do try not to mention it as if it were fact. You don't know.

Very few people actually do right now, so temper the hyperbole statements.

Please and thank you.

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I'm sorry, but the game HAS gone to shit, that's not hyperbole that is fact, whether or not it remains in the shit remains to be seen but as of now it's fact, ask any pro or open your eyes, nothing hyperbole here son.

You tell me how many LAN events you have watched of OW since release and how many teams have been dropped since release and tell me it's not gone to shit, please and thank you.

With the way Misfits are playing I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up the entire roster and dropped the Swedes.

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You might end up being right in the end, the OWL might be a bust and Overwatch as an eSport could be dead on it's feet. The issue right now though is that the game is barely over a year old and as you mentioned what they're trying to do is massive and pretty much unprecedented in it's scale.

The angle I chose to take on this is that Blizz seems to prefer having a massive pool of talent for teams to choose from instead of Orgs that don't have the capital to buy into the league holding on to those contracts.

Not saying that's the right way because I hate seeing so many players fall into uncertainty as their Orgs decide to move away from the game "for now". However, until the OWL either succeeds or fails, and I don't know how long that will take to determine, you can't call Overwatch a dead game. If it's to be focused around this league I don't see how we can logically confirm or make statements about it's failure.

Just want to re-iterate that the concern many are showing is warranted and can't be dismissed, just can't let it escalate into full blow panic and prophecies of doomsday and end times.

We can suppose, we can assume and we can theorize all we want but at this point it's all just glorified opinions. That's my own glorified opinion.

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Honestly wouldn't be surprised if Misfits tried to pick up Cwoosh.

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That's all ifs buts and maybes though, when has something on this scale ever been achieved in e-sports? the way it is now has been the way since I can remember, orgs pick up players, form a team and attend LAN after LAN, look at CS:GO for example, did SC have this? I can't think of any big e-sports title that has yet everyone acts like it's the saving grace for OW based on the few tidbits of information we have so far, what do we even know about OWL?

People that think OWL will save OW know nothing and are merely hoping, what Blizzard are trying to do is absolutely massive requiring tens of millions of dollars, don't think it's a gimme it will work out and OW will suddenly transform into a massive e-sports title with hundreds of thousand of views and LAN's every month.

Keep dreaming.

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Robokun87, you forget that Overwatch just barely in its second year. Please, please, give it time. Blizzard's intentions aren't to kill the game, and while they may be going about the communication aspects in the wrong way, they obviously have plans for the future of Overwatch as an esport. The game has not gone to shit, the game is in limbo and in restructuring. Yes, there have not been many LAN events, but we've seen many games lately that prove how good and exciting of an esport Overwatch can be (take last nights IMT vs. Rogue for example). Blizzard just need to create the right infrastructure to support Overwatch as a solid esport, and it's hard to complete that in a little over a year.
Please stop being so pessimistic and at least give the scene time to work its issues out.

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I'm only pessimistic when I see people being so over-confident in OWL based on the almost zero bits of information we have regarding it, if you can be so over-optimistic based on nothing then I'm happy to balance it out with pessimism, it's all guessing at the end of the day yet people act like OWL will succeed based on what, at least the pessimistic folk have the fact orgs are dropping like flies to back our pessimism up, what information do you have that's making you so optimistic?

I can't think of an e-sports title that started off as slow as OW did, got worse then suddenly resurrected itself in spectacular fashion with a league nobody has ever tried before, so you can understand my and other peoples' pessimism.

Not quite sure why a franchise like Miami Dolphins would pump tens of millions of dollars into a game getting 20k viewers, only to pick up 6 completely random free agents and expect them to do well in a league without any practise, that's not called optimism that's called complete craziness.

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EU scene is dead at this point. Eunited, Misfits and Laser Kittenz should move to NA before it's too late, nothing but stagnation awaits them in EU.

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Logix,Cwoosh and Dante needs to get picked up ASAP!

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I expect Alicus has already been in touch...

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A lot of the points you make Robokun don't quite make sense.
No one is over-confident in OWL, we're just saying it has the potential to be amazing and there's no reason to call it dead. You can be doubtful, but there's no existing "facts" that Overwatch has died. I'm optimistic because I see how great Overwatch can be, and I'm in general an optimistic person. I'm not going to call OW dead unless OWL miserably fails and everything goes to shit, which it hasn't yet, not even close.
You then say that there's never been an esport that's tried this kind of league before; that's exactly the point. We have to push eSports to new boundaries at some point, and if OWL works, it'll be absolutely revolutionary for the scene in general. I'm happy Blizzard are trying something that no one else has ever tried before. If it works, the benefits will be massive. If it doesn't, then there's that, but let's wait and see until OWL actually comes around before we make judgements.
Your last point about free agents not having any practice is a pretty ridiculous statement to make, because there wouldn't be any reason for a team to not practice. OWL isn't going to set their teams on a Sunday and then have their first match on the upcoming Monday, it's going to take time but rosters will gel with practice.
The reason we've been getting 20k viewers is because Overwatch hasn't been getting enough exposure in an eSports point of view. I guarantee the World Cup will get far more viewership, and if OWL works, more and more people will get interested. Isn't that how everything grows after all?

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That is my point exactly "potential to be amazing" doesn't everything we know nothing about? this over-optimism based on nothing, why does it have potential to be amazing, because apparently teams are putting millions into it? I didn't say OW has died I said it has gone to shit, which is a fact if you ask any pro or anyone with a wee bit of common sense, a game with no LANs outside of Korea and orgs leaving every day is going to shit whatever way you want to put it.

It's hardly ridiculous, look at the troubles NRG have had trying to put a team together for how long now, and you think OWL teams will do this 8 times with success in quick time? come on, this league will be half a mish mash of random players playing together for the first time, how is that exciting? what exposure do you expect OW to get, do you want it on national TV and billboards mate? you get exposure by being exciting, by having a big LAN now and then people can get there teeth into, not everyone gives a shit about online tournaments yet it's all we have, plus the fact OW in EU has been pretty much dead for god knows how long you're left with NA.

Well I hope that guarantee comes true and the WC gets a ton of viewers and IF OWL works indeed, hell you don't even need a league like OWL to get interested just look at every other big e-sports title, if they can do it without it why can't OW? clutching at straws here.

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Just want to say that I don't completely disagree with you. In my opinion the state of Overwatch as an eSports game isn't great right now and as noted by several sources it could even be on the decline. That's compounded by the mostly negative view of the movement of orgs in regards ti the game's future and uncertainty. This trickles down to players possibly having to decide if they want to dive into Overwatch full time without the support of an org behind them and the risks associated with that choice.

I'm not sure how you quantify "gone to shit", but to me the game isn't there yet. I don't think it's "gone to shit" quite yet and not because i'm an optimist. I do like the game but I value logical analysis above all. From what I understand, with my limited knowledge and bias, OWL seems to prefer players not being tied to orgs. The ones with amazing rosters may chose to hold on to their squad either to try and buy a spot, or for resale value to orgs who have the capital and the backing. I don't think that's good because people are left wondering "what now?" and trying to bridge the gap. I also don't work for Blizzard so I don't know what their actual end game is, now matter how ill advised I feel the means may be.

Interest in the game may very well have declined, but it's still there. It could fail, but it could still succeed. My main argument is and always has been to temper expectations, both positive and negative, until we get more tangible information, until we get more than rumors or hearsay articles. Common sense often fails when left without context.

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Oh gosh, please stop being such a downer. I am not over-optimistic, I'm expressing the hope that I have for the scene. I don't expect OW to be on national TV, but I believe that if OWL works it could at least begin pushing eSports to more mainstream exposure with all the big names already involved.
Also, not every pro thinks the scene is dead. Check Kruise's twitter, he just talked about how he's fairly optimistic towards Blizzard. And again, don't be pessimistic, mate.

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TFW there's more pro free agents than actual teams :(

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Even before the great org exodus if the opposite was true the game would really be in trouble.

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At least OW in EU is definitely DEAD.
There's still many teams in EU, but the quantity of teams are the only similar point comparing to a year ago.
I think this's one of reasons why Rogue had left there.

eUnited, Misfits, Laser Kittenz and 123 should leave the dead EU scene and move to NA I think.

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The reason that rogue left to Na was so that they were located in the same area as the orgs management department as well as probably an attempt to take a bid on Vegas for the overwatch league.

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Yeah that's also right. But I also heard that someone of Rogue said that EU has few LAN games.