Titans split with Bumper

#1

raymond907

5

Frags

+

–

I have just soooo many negative feelings about this. 1, fuck Vancouver for this move. I liked runaway, but something I loved about Vancouver is that they were willing to pickup all of runaway together, now that they are split up I don’t really care about this team. 2, I don’t think this team will work as well without bumper. He was the glue this team needed and he allowed his team to play at such a high level. He isn’t the only reason this team is good, but he is the reason that other reasons exist that made this team good. Goodbye bumper, you were an amazing part of this team and you will be missed

#2

karzahni14

2

Frags

+

–

i think what made the titans look good was the synergy they had with bumper. all great players tho. i dont think just swapping bumper for fissure will suit them, even if fissure has a similar aggressive style, it was how bumper could literally go into the backline with the full support of the team that made the titans work. definitely going to look like a different team without bumper doing bumper things.

#4

raymond907

1

Frags

+

–

i completely agree. i remember sideshow had a clip of him talking about the titans style in stage 1, and basically the team allowed bumper to carry and even if he died, he had created so much space that it was easy for someone else to take on the hard carry role. the reason why their style worked so well was because bumper knew he could play so aggressive because of the synergy they created with an extra year or two playing together compared to every other team. even if fissure has a similar he wont be able to play like bumper

#6

Frozello

0

Frags

+

–

People say that's the only way Bumper could play though. Doesn't that make him liability in different kind of meta?

#7

raymond907

1

Frags

+

–

first of all, he is a pro player, you really think he has one style of play and cant adapt? maybe his super aggressive style is the most effective, but he can definitely play slower if he needs to. Second, youre assuming that in a non double shield meta that style of play wont work. i know this team would be able super aggressive if rein or winston every become meta again. third, they picked up fissure, who doesnt play as aggressive and suicidal, but still has a super aggressive play style. in the dive meta on winston he didnt need much support but he will definitely need a lot more support on rein and he cant play that aggressive on orisa

#8

Frozello

0

Frags

+

–

Being a pro player doesn't mean you can adapt to different kind of situation in game though. There was nothing good in Bumper's playstyle anymore in later on in Stage 2 or 3 as he was constantly being punished for his flanks. Did you see two or three different kind of playstyles by Bumper? With more than one of them being effective? I would say no, but then again I didn't really watch that many Vancouver games later on.

Although some of the Stage 1 or 2 maybe even Stage 3 games with Goats Vancouver vs half the League... are pretty pointless, when basically only Titans and Shock were able to play Goats properly. Like, if Bumper did go all aggro vs Washington/Florida and stomped everything... does that make Bumper good player? Does that make anyone good player? No That's also one reason why most of the season stats for Titans/Shock players are pretty irrelevant, when they were only 2 decent Goats teams. To be fair I would only rate Shock vs Titans games toy to rate any Titans or Shock player performance until Stage 3.

If I am assuming certain playstyle won't work in (whatever meta comes) next meta it's same as you are assuming it will work though. -flips a coin- Also I am not assuming I am just saying he has one dimensional playstyle.

Some people, who look good while getting pocketed by their teammates are just bad, when they have to pocket their teammates.

#9

raymond907

1

Frags

+

–

That was bumpers play style during goats. Do you really think he would do that same play style during double shield? Of course not, and in the past bumper has shown a slower play style. Do you know why shock and titans were the only good goats teams? It’s because they played that super aggressive style that was enabled by bumper. In NYXL mano played a much more passive style and that was far less effective, even though every other aspect of their goats play was very good. That being said, Mano has the ability to play more aggressive, and all pros can change their style, it really isn’t that hard. It’s just knowing when to press your W and S keys. Yes some of bumpers dumb plays were getting shut down, which is why he was doing it less and less. Bumper was doing these dumb plays, because he could get away with it. Bumper is a top tier main tank no matter what, is he the best main tank? Absolutely not. Is he the best main tank for the titans? Absolutely, without a doubt

#13

Frozello

-1

Frags

+

–

If it's not so hard to change playstyle, why did 18 teams suck at Goats :P

#16

raymond907

-1

Frags

+

–

Cuz they aren’t as good players? Zarya players that can’t do the same lvl of dmg. Other than that it was team coordination and working as one unit and poor ult usage. Like jjonak, he is an amazing zen but had really bad ult timing. And the justice, Janus isn’t a bad rein he was just in a different page than the rest of his team. Corey bubbling at the wrong times, Janus going in when his team wasn’t ready, waiting armor packs and defense matrix. Stuff like that was what made a team bad

#21

Frozello

-1

Frags

+

–

That's like saying Bumper is godlike Orisa since he was on bench for playoffs and didn't play. First you are saying changing playstyle is so, but no they were just shit, because X and Y players were shit in that setup. And suddenly we have 18 teams with bad players and only 2 teams with good players. Not even 20 good players in OWL with that logic.

#3

thatagedwell

0

Frags

+

–

fuck the titans for doing this. I love runaway and I love bumper and Vancouver is just tryna ruin their legacy. they were runners up and won a stage! why remove a valuable and OG player.. wtfffff

#5

Frozello

1

Frags

+

–

If you think it from Vancouver Titans management/owners perspective. Spend 50 million dollars into a league spot name your team as a Vancouver Titans and still half the people call their team "Runaway". I can say I wouldn't be happy with such thing as owner. Like how often we had casters in OWL say "Runaway" while Titans game? Rewatch the VoDs and use it for a drinking game. I doubt anyone survive some of the early Vancouver games from Season 2.

Like how many Titans fans do like Titans, because they were ex-Runaway roster? and how many do like them, because they are Vancouver based team? or for some other reasons?

Bumper is not Top-10 Main Tank though. Could they have kept him as backup, sure why not, but it's not players who should be making roster decisions (as, if players wanted Bumper to stay, but management seemingly didn't want to keep him), when it's a million dollars business.

#10

raymond907

1

Frags

+

–

The only reason why I liked the titans is because they were runaway, the only reason I liked Dallas was because they were envy, the only reason I liked Seoul was because they were lunatic hai. I don’t like these teams because they are abandoning their roots, and I really don’t appreciate it. Bumper 100% is a top 5 main tank, if he was bad the rest of his team couldn’t carry him, that’s not how professional overwatch works. Their play style was to enable bumper to carry, they made him an unkillable monster. If they didn’t do that bumper would still perform extremely well, that was just they style of play that they capitalize on. Teams have to use someone on their team that plays differently in order to get ahead. The shock used sinatraa with his super high dmg output with his aggressive positioning and their secrete weapon, NYXL used jjonak in a very similar way. Jjonak is still a good player, even though he has created bad habits with his selfish Transcendence usage, same with sinatraa with his position and bubble usage, and finally, same with bumper and his aggressive positioning. A bad habit that he has created, but he is still a super good player. I was a major titans fan, now I will be rooting against them in every single game

#14

Frozello

1

Frags

+

–

So basically you are Runaway fan not Titans fan.

#17

raymond907

1

Frags

+

–

I am an overwatch fan, I want good games between good teams. But other than that I am a fan of players but teams, for example I love striker, he is one of my fav players. So I was a Boston fan, now I’m a shock fan. Obviously other factors are in play but that is the basics. A team has to give me a reason to like them, the reason for liking the titans was because they are runaway, now they aren’t runaway so what is my reason for liking them?

#19

Frozello

-2

Frags

+

–

So you did only like Runaway not Titans, gotcha!

Healthy fanbase, which doesn't actually like the team, but likes the other team, which isn't the actual team they are playing, GG. And people still questioning why their management is breaking up the roster. I don't know it just sounds so stupid in head, when I think how people are Titans fans only because they are "Runaway" even though they are Titans...and now they are not Titans fans, because they are not "Runaway" anymore as not full roster remains. So are we talking of Titans or Runaway again I don't know I got lost in Wolf's monology while TItans or was it Runaway game?

#23

raymond907

0

Frags

+

–

I like players, not teams. I like S4, shaz, and biggoose but I don’t unconditionally like the gladiators, that’s just kinda stupid to me honestly. The only team I feel that was about, somewhat is NYXL since I’m from New York, but if they get rid all their players and replace them with an unlikable roaster, I won’t root for them

#25

thatagedwell

0

Frags

+

–

.

#11

thatagedwell

2

Frags

+

–

I agree titans should be in it to win it, but they came runner up overall and won a stage with bumper, its not like he was a liability

#15

Frozello

-1

Frags

+

–

If players could make all the roster chances they should be also investing money into that :). It's pretty silly, when players make demands for package deals for teams that "sign us all or none".

Is it a good or bad move by Titans to make these roster changes? Dunno, I rather would see them have fans who support Titans because they are Titans. It was pretty boring to listen how often Runaway was mentioned in broadcast while Titans game...

#18

raymond907

1

Frags

+

–

what is my reason for being a titans fan? runaway had an amazing underdog story, but the titans have no story that i care about so i have no reason to be a fan unless i live in vancouver

#22

Frozello

-2

Frags

+

–

Like any team for what ever reason, but if you are not really a fan for given team after some roster changes, you were never really a fan of that given team.

What story do you expect them to have, if they were made just for last season. Titans obviously didn't want all of them a year ago (which was reported somewhere), but Runaway players/management (who ever) didn't accept a deal unless everyone gets picked up. That should raise a alarm for some people. Surely someone is not happy in that kind of situation. Imagine, if LeBron James would have said that he only joins Lakers, if Lakers picks up also his teammates from Cleveland LOL. Just rename to LA Cavaliers then.

#26

thatagedwell

2

Frags

+

–

You made an NBA comparison, so let me ask you, how does supporting the NBA work in Finland? A common question you might hear in Australia is "who are you going for this season". With (obviously) no teams from Australia, why would anyone be invested in a team rather than a player. In Australia the 76er's are very popular because of Ben Simmons. When gets traded or retires do you expect millions of Australians to still loyally support the 76er's? Because it won't be the case, doesn't mean they were 'fake fans' though.

#28

Frozello

0

Frags

+

–

Better question is why wouldn't you support your only Australian in whatever League? I do support Finns whatever team they play, but them leaving or getting traded doesn't necessary mean I start hating the team.

I can give you NHL example since that's only North American League, where Finns used to play in 90s or 2000s. Teemu Selänne played in Anaheim Ducks sure it made me create bigger emotions towards the club nowadays I don't think they really have any Finns worth noting that gets to play in big stage. Another example is Saku Koivu with Montreal Canadiens as far as I can remember I was a fan (I don't even remember why, but might have been Patrick Roy) before he joined Canadiens and to be fair I have remained fan of Canadiens even after he left them and went to Ducks. What does this show? I was a real Canadiens fan and slightly fake Ducks fan.

#12

marmites

0

Frags

+

–

Vancouver will crash and burn. They had to expand beyond the GOATs Meta but were triumphed in that regard by Shock and now they are tearing it all apart cause of one loss? I am expecting captain major ego fissure will burn this team to the ground, if not early on he'll screw everyone over by the end like he did Gladiator gifting London the title. The mans ego gets the better of every single team he has been on. London caught it early on and got punished for it by having his ego fuelled against them but ultimately they got rewarded for it as well, obviously betting right that he would implode. Now we see a constant stream of desperate teams trying to pick up steam, but why vancouver ever would sink so low after placing second is beyond me. What are they thinking? If anything they needed to improve their DPS department that got dropped by Sinatra and Co. like nothing.

#20

murasaki

1

Frags

+

–

reality check

#24

Wombat

0

Frags

+

–

Titans have replaced one of their weak spots with a nutty main tank who synergy aside will most likely be an upgrade.

Fissure's ego problems were always down to not playing every game or not being on a Korean championship side. He looks pretty well set up at Titans and sure it is a bit of a risk but Fissure himself will know that this is his last chance to get these conditions so my guess is that he'll calm down and deliver the goods.

Jehong's presence shouldn't be underestimated either, his leadership ability will no doubt help to bring the team together after they come to terms with the fact that Bumper is gone. At the end of the day these are pro OW players who are here to win OWL. It sucks that Bumper won't be a part of that journey anymore but Haksal and co will get over it and move on.

I really like this off season so far, they're pivoting from plucky underdogs to a high calibre championship winning team.

#27

SilkCloud

0

Frags

+

–

Lots of negative feelings, but I think Vancover will bring in Mag as rumored so it should all even out even if fissure is on the team :P still... Bumper... his run from an off-tank to a main tank was a exciting one.