so seagull joined envy
(lets get some downvotes) i dont think seagull has what it takes to be in owl but envy is lacking genji so maybe good move but for sure a good move in terms of teams popularity
https://twitter.com/TeamEnVyUs/status/911668339629547522
here it acrualy wasnt posted when i created this thread but seagull changed his description on twittwer before envy tweeted announcment
KuroiRyuu9625 [#3]Already an active thread about it:
https://www.over.gg/5841/seagull-to-envyus
"This one is pure speculation"
and here i posted official anouncment
pls dont delete mr moderator ryuu
remiska [#1]so seagull joined envy
(lets get some downvotes) i dont think seagull has what it takes to be in owl but envy is lacking genji so maybe good move but for sure a good move in terms of teams popularity
He said on stream yesterday that he hasn't been practicing Genji. He will presumably be (mostly) playing other heroes, at least in the current meta.
BigBad01 [#6]He said on stream yesterday that he hasn't been practicing Genji. He will presumably be (mostly) playing other heroes, at least in the current meta.
but for nearly every other hero envy has a better player
soldier - taimou, harry
mccree - taimou, effect
widow - taimou
tracer - effect
doomfist - effect
junkrat (kappa) - taimou
so if not genji then maybe hanzo and pharra? but taimou and effect are both good on these and im nearly sure have better teamwork (play longer with the rest of players)
i haven't been watching seagull's streams as of late but it doesn't take much to realize that seagull is an incredibly gifted player. i'm ecstatic about the move to nV. i have no doubt in my mind that seagull is 100% OWL worthy. his game sense is off the charts, his versatility/flexibility is valuable, and his positive attitude makes him a fantastic team player. i imagine he would be a JOY to play with on any team. just because he hasn't played a pro match in a streamed tournament doesn't mean he hasn't been offline scrimming or training or practicing with other teams in custom games. we all are aware of his streaming hiatuses, which can only mean he's taking this seriously.
i doubt signing seagull was purely for his genji or his heropool, but moreso his value as a team player. envy has been known for their unique setups on first-point winning defenses (chips on sombra or harry on soldier, taimou on junkrat, etc) so having seagull with his flexibility and consistency, they could easily try out new comps and setups. this only strengthens envyus's ability to become an unpredictable team.
remiska [#4]"This one is pure speculation"
and here i posted official anouncment
pls dont delete mr moderator ryuu
I MUST SATIATE MY LUST FOR POWER AND EXTERNAL VALIDATION. Can I fix your thread title though lol?
remiska [#7]but for nearly every other hero envy has a better player
soldier - taimou, harry
mccree - taimou, effect
widow - taimou
tracer - effect
doomfist - effect
junkrat (kappa) - taimouso if not genji then maybe hanzo and pharra? but taimou and effect are both good on these and im nearly sure have better teamwork (play longer with the rest of players)
We'll obviously have to wait and see how things shake out, but I would imagine that any situations calling for a Pharrah, Junkrat, Zarya, Genji, or Hanzo would be a good situation to put in the bird.
Seagull seems to think that this patch is not conducive to Genji at the moment (based on comments he made yesterday), so presumably he has been playing one or more of these other heroes in scrims.
Given the sizable salary Envy must presumably paying him, I just don't see them picking Seagull up just to keep him on the bench all the time.
BigBad01 [#11]We'll obviously have to wait and see how things shake out, but I would imagine that any situations calling for a Pharrah, Junkrat, Zarya, Genji, or Hanzo would be a good situation to put in the bird.
Seagull seems to think that this patch is not conducive to Genji at the moment (based on comments he made yesterday), so presumably he has been playing one or more of these other heroes in scrims.
Given the sizable salary Envy must presumably paying him, I just don't see them picking Seagull up just to keep him on the bench all the time.
he gona pay for himself with popularity so he doesnt really need to play
KuroiRyuu9625 [#10]I MUST SATIATE MY LUST FOR POWER AND EXTERNAL VALIDATION. Can I fix your thread title though lol?
yea lately im on tablet and writing on this big touch screen is so uncomfortable i cant focuse on writing
remiska [#13]he gona pay for himself with popularity so he doesnt really need to play
This is the point everyone is missing. Can't wait to see the see of Seagull Envy jerseys in LA when OWL starts.
darkcvc [#15]This is the point everyone is missing. Can't wait to see the see of Seagull Envy jerseys in LA when OWL starts.
That, and the in-game Seag/Envy sprays and other paraphernalia!
remiska [#13]he gona pay for himself with popularity so he doesnt really need to play
True enough, but this tweet thread suggests that Envy does plan to utilize the bird:
BigBad01 [#17]True enough, but this tweet thread suggests that Envy does plan to utilize the bird:
not really
it just means they are not kicking someone for seagull so actually it kinda means opposite because they dont really need him as a player (not replacing anyone) but they want his popularity
BigBad01 [#16]That, and the in-game Seag/Envy sprays and other paraphernalia!
Oh shit yea forgot about the in game stuff!! Genius!!
remiska [#18]not really
it just means they are not kicking someone for seagull so actually it kinda means opposite because they dont really need him as a player (not replacing anyone) but they want his popularity
his popularity is never implied in that tweet? hastro literally says they plan on using seagull in strategies on a PER MAP BASIS. envyus never seemed like a team that cared about popularity. if you look at kyky/chips/taimou/effect or any of the players, they're never one to put status first, teamplay second. this isn't a popularity contest.
edit: to add on to that, they signed mickie and effect, both foreign players that were super lowkey/not well known. they signed those two for their skills and their ability to work in the team.
remiska [#18]not really
it just means they are not kicking someone for seagull so actually it kinda means opposite because they dont really need him as a player (not replacing anyone) but they want his popularity
That doesn't appear to be what he's saying at all. Here is the relevant quote:
No one, we will be rotating players in and out based on our strategy all the way down to a per map basis.
bane [#20]his popularity is never implied in that tweet? hastro literally says they plan on using seagull in strategies on a PER MAP BASIS. envyus never seemed like a team that cared about popularity. if you look at kyky/chips/taimou/effect or any of the players, they're never one to put status first, teamplay second. this isn't a popularity contest.
edit: to add on to that, they signed mickie and effect, both foreign players that were super lowkey/not well known. they signed those two for their skills and their ability to work in the team.
well, obvieusly they wont say "we took him only coz of his popularity" and it wouldnt be true either but i think it was a big factor
remiska [#23]well, obvieusly they wont say "we took him only coz of his popularity" and it wouldnt be true either but i think it was a big factor
i doubt the popularity was "a big factor." taimou is one of the most prolific players in the scene, and team envyus alone has been the most successful team since the inception of competitive overwatch. they don't need more big viewer numbers to succeed any more than they already are. sure it's an added bonus to tack on an enormous fanbase, but they could've done that with or without the bird. if you listen to kyky on dogman's recent podcast you can get a better perspective of how the team as a whole is thinking. not a lot of it really relates or points to a "popularity/fanbase" attitude. they likely understand that the fanbase is a bonus/byproduct of success.
bane [#24]i doubt the popularity was "a big factor." taimou is one of the most prolific players in the scene, and team envyus alone has been the most successful team since the inception of competitive overwatch. they don't need more big viewer numbers to succeed any more than they already are. sure it's an added bonus to tack on an enormous fanbase, but they could've done that with or without the bird. if you listen to kyky on dogman's recent podcast you can get a better perspective of how the team as a whole is thinking. not a lot of it really relates or points to a "popularity/fanbase" attitude. they likely understand that the fanbase is a bonus/byproduct of success.
Beautifully put.
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