so only 1 of helsinki reds, netherlands and vivi's gets out of groups, that sucks.

edit: unless whoarethey turn out to be really strong

But who are they?

Helsinki reds will win. The only good members at the roster of Netherlands are morte from eunited and crusadexx from laser kittenz so could someone explain to me why all that excitement for Netherlands?

You forgot Dante and 2easy

t-23-11 [#3]

Helsinki reds will win. The only good members at the roster of Netherlands are morte from eunited and crusadexx from laser kittenz so could someone explain to me why all that excitement for Netherlands?

Well, 4/6 of the team is well known and talented, I'm assuming the other two will lean on the leadership of the majority but on paper it's a good team.

I think they'll get the win over Helsinki Reds.

Jona used to play dps in a pretty good team and vizility is playing for a team right now so they aren't just random people really, vizility is pretty good at genji.

tlm47 [#6]

Jona used to play dps in a pretty good team and vizility is playing for a team right now so they aren't just random people really, vizility is pretty good at genji.

Helsinki Reds have been playing together for quite a while now thats why I think they have the advantage here.

tetuan [#7]

Helsinki Reds have been playing together for quite a while now thats why I think they have the advantage here.

Possibly, but I think the Netherlands may have more raw talent, might be enough to overcome their lack of synergy compared to the Reds.

I think having time together to develop synergy is a little overrated. It matters, and it matters quite a bit, but I doubt it will matter to the point that a team with a talent disadvantage like Reds have here will be able to overcome Netherlands. Team Japan came from 3 to 4 different teams and took Blank to 5 maps. Spain, who only recently had gotten to practice with HarryHook because of Apex, took out a Finland squad made up of 5/6ths RiP (Taimou also recently got back, but the rest of his team should have had more synergy than Spain's team). Synergy and playtime together matters, but shouldn't matter more than raw talent.

tamagao [#9]

I think having time together to develop synergy is a little overrated. It matters, and it matters quite a bit, but I doubt it will matter to the point that a team with a talent disadvantage like Reds have here will be able to overcome Netherlands. Team Japan came from 3 to 4 different teams and took Blank to 5 maps. Spain, who only recently had gotten to practice with HarryHook because of Apex, took out a Finland squad made up of 5/6ths RiP (Taimou also recently got back, but the rest of his team should have had more synergy than Spain's team). Synergy and playtime together matters, but shouldn't matter more than raw talent.

I agree, and looking at the game at the moment it seems to be correct.

netherlands making me proud!