roster tomorrow
https://twitter.com/BostonUprising/status/923316148086738944

expected

i just noticed this part :P

we never really had more than a 30k constant viewership during big tournaments

its not true go and check my threads on owc qualifiers viewership (too lazy to find them myself) depending on which countries were playing it was well over 30k

real sports have ver VERY few games compared to esports thats why they can have home arenas and while eventually owl cities will probably have their "home arena" i would expect them to have simillar format to this season
maybe divide season into few underseasons each played in different city but for sure not every other game in different city

also lately companies started waking up and realising they dont need to pay so much for commercials and its not only youtube actually commercials rate are droping all over the board

mate first you need to know what youre talking about, there is 1 arena, in la same as for contenders its about 200-300 sits - blizzards esports arena and at least for season 1 it all will take place there (and season 1 is going to be long i dont remamber right now exactly how long but likehalf a year?) so doesnt really matter which city is team from coz they will all stay and play in la

13-25 age group is one that soon will or is working and much more likely to spend money than older people thats why its a great group for companies to target commercials at

yes people wont go to arenas like in traditional sport but like i already discussed somewhere esport is global you can be fan of team from across the world and thats something that might happen to real sports too

no, not everyone can enjoy football (not really sure which football youre talking about though) most people can because its so well known game but for example i dont like watching football, its slow and boring and no one from my family likes it, its usually comes from one generation to other, also the most popular esport lol can also be described the way you described ow > if the meta gets stale, if there are no new heroes for 4 months, no new maps or game modes either, people will get bored and will stop paying to go and in like 10 years, the viewers will be scarce, except for the diehards, obviously they'll be there, even someone who doesn't know/like football can go and enjoy it, i don't know if it'll be the same way with OW.

but still most specialist predict lol, and other esports will grow

and read my comment here: https://www.over.gg/6050/how-will-owl-affect-overwatch-esports-if-it-fails#2
on wy owl will not fail no matter what

like you?
i remamber time when we were actually close in stars like i had 1/3 and you 2/3 or one star

to be fair i get a lot of downvotes but still you no life much

it already did, it had more viewers than he says during both owc qualifiers and contenders

owc will easily have over 100k viewers (talking about combined national streams on twitch) for more on owc viewership go see my threads about it during qualifiers

while yes lately a lot of players retired its not scene dying and there were players retiring always (for example internethulk from the top of my head)

you seriously think eu wont watch coz they have only 1 city? there are more eu esport viewers than in na

but im too lazy to write the same thing i wrote there

https://www.over.gg/6050/how-will-owl-affect-overwatch-esports-if-it-fails#2

i know thats why im not convinced im just going off of free flags and players without team

france uk (knoxx boombox)?
or instead of uk canada (surefour) but neither of these convinces me

dont confirm immortals roster

contenders season 1 here or here
contenders season 0 its more rare now again coz his blade is weaker and he rarely has nanoboost coz no one playes ana and nano is weaker but it happens

and why do you think genji players changed their playstyle? sdb could be more agressive year ago for obvieus reasons (which i mentioned) and are all due to meta and hero changes:

ana had op healing, able to heal even triple tank team alone so keeping genji alive when ulting, or healing him with nade when he was low was easy

nanoboost reduced damage taken plus you were faster, so it was really hard to kill nanoblading genji, not because teams didnt know how but because meta was different

so now let me ask you a question, during triple tank meta genji was pretty much not played (not like now more rarely but not played at all in pro matches) so back than teams really had to know how to counter him if he waas not played at all, so did teams forget how to counter him?

spoiler: no and again you really think teams need 2 years to adapt to something? np genji has multi kills with dragon blade when meta favors it (nanoblade meta) ut when it doesnt he wont (triple tank meta)

they couldnt make it work during triple tank meta either and nearly no one played him back then
compared to back then now genji is much more effective so did teams forget how to play against him or did meta change?

teams can really quickly adapt to heros it really doesnt take them 2 years to be able to learn how to counter hero
teams know how to play against genji for years they havent invented anything new and we have just good old meta shift

people really didnt need over a year to learn how to counter blade (and as i already said, its not first time he fall out of meta, during tank meta he was completly gone compared to limited use now) its because nano boost doesnt make blade so strong now

every hero comes and goes when it comes to genji we had:
hard genji meta (nano genji win team fight)
than came triple tank and genji dropped out
than was dive/triple dps genji was back
now we have weird meta or more like there is no new meta established because of many changes in short time (doomfist came and disapeared now junk is op soon we'll see how mercy changes affect meta)
its not new thing that genji is not meta it happened before and will happen in future thats just the way meta fluctuates

teams and players have transcended from mere whispers on forums and Reddit threads to idolization and talent beyond imagination.

this " beyond imagination" part feels a little bit like an exaggeration ;) just a little though

go runaway! pink - colour of victory

good read

also if this is leak thread (although i wrote about it in mine so which is confirmed now? :P )seoul is going to be called seoul dynasty

https://www.over.gg/6202/ksv-services-file-trademark-for-seoul-dynasty
edit: added

also imho bad name, lets hope at least logo is good

and dallas

what for? cocco is as good if not better on winston and by far better rein

envy is going to announce 8th member soon, nd he is going to have "new flag" we speculated who it could be on discord but no idea but what do you think?

mate, you have 3 posts on this forum and you think i troll?
ok here have few of my "trolly" posts
https://www.over.gg/6173/kings-of-korean-overwatch-lunatic-hai#6
https://www.over.gg/5987/misfits-unfulfilled-expectations#1
https://www.over.gg/5964/maybe-something-interesting-about-envyus#14
https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams/?page=2#82

wont go further because there is no point, misterdeath ypu have no idea about this forum and me so why the fuck you think you can judge me? kid you are not qualified to say anything about anyone

seagull is overrated by his fans and im not talking about last month and his games on envy because they mean nothing, you could put probably any half decent pro in envy and they would win contenders
im talking about his nrg days when he was far from genjis like fpr example sdb and the problem is even now many his fans put him as best or amongst best genjis/players in the world which he is and never been

next time really get a grip of forum because your cpmment have shown you have no idea about people on here

(exception)
but i really listen to everything, i just press on random music videos and if i like it i listen to it, i wouldnt even know which song is what type, or i finde some nice song in some video or wherever i dont care about genres and i can like songs from every type

about accomplishment, im super strict towards myself so mt answer to this would be that i havent achived single thing in life

i dont show many/i dont like showing amotions so hugging is out of the question

i actually answered most of the questions very honestly and os ot now obligatory to answer these?

i may be negative but why does it hurt people? i dont force others to accept my pov

well, over.gg again shows immaturity
"I dont like you so doeasnt matter what you wrote ill downvote"
the fucks the point in this?

I had quite a few disagreements with kuroi for example but it was about some topic and even if someone of us got downvoted (well penda ill write it for you, downvoted as in people disagreed not about the downvotes itself) it was on topic of this thread and when we went to other thread it was all good between us
but this^

best way to get over.gg community to love you? post some random meme under everything, agree with what majority says, dont have own opinion, dont criticise anyone, if you dont like someone downvote him
sounds like kindergarten to me

so ill ask here who does my original comment insult and why? or does someone disagree with it and why? if its so downvoted im sure a lot of people do
so id love to hear complaints and learn from it

and penda stop being kid, i dont care about these votes and it never was about them (like with seagull conversation) its about how people act

im toxic? i may be dick at times but not toxic

yes this totally deserves downvotes and its not because someone doesnt like me so he downvoted it because it was mine

me and kuroi created accounts exactly the same day funny fact

What's your favorite type of music? - no favourit what sounds good i listen

What's your favorite color?- no favourit

What was your first video game?- hard to remamber, either super simple game about balancing platforms to get ball to bottom level without falling of the map (no idea how its called i played it few times on my fathers laptop like 16-17 years ago windows 98 or 2000) or some early pokemon on gameboy (i remamber when i first saw gameboy in some other kids hands it was original gameboy without colour screen) later i played games like stronghold crusador (fucking great game) and total war medieval

Where are you from? - bangladesh
kappa no im not im from europe

What do you consider your biggest accomplishment? -well to answer this question i would need to dive into my psyche so wont answer it

What's your most PogChamp overwatch moment? -

If you could hug one pro player, who would it be? - wouldnt

Make your dream over.gg team- whatever

If you want to answer, what's your first name?- Michael (well not exactly but its equivalent in my language)

yea i just didnt remamber the name of this team

this^
the company behinde shanghai spot has a team (or had? i dont follow chinese scene) chinese team (not for spot just to feel out the scene)

and they will 100% sure get chinese roster

"im a fan of white race i cheer for it and hate on other races"
thats not cool and thats exactly the point of my comment

Example: You think Seagull isn't good (or bad even) and people saying he's good can't base it on anything. Well, you can't base him being bad on anything either.
There's no mutual outcome in such debates. It's like telling someone who likes purple that purple is garbage and fucking fuschia is better. Hello ??

let me quote penda "you are wrong"
when talking about seagull people on this site dont say that its their opinion they say its a fact

and ill repeat myself i dont care what people think of seagull so they can disagree with me as much as they want
the problem is the way they act
ill quote my original comment:

you say seagull is great player but youre okay if someone thinks otherwise. nothing against it
you think seagull is great player and attack anyone who says otherwise. thats wrong and thats exactly what is going on on this site

thats where i see problem

the problem is not that people have different opiniom than i do if they said "oh i have different opinion/disagree/think otherwise" it would be all good
but on this site when someone says something bad about seagull "they are wrong" (and im even quoting penda here) so it turns out its no mlre about what wethink but about facts and these are not facts

and you totaly missed the poimt of my comment its not comparing racism to anything, its showing the mechanism (to make it simpler look at nationalism only) and look at robokun comment

i dont care what people think about seagull

not only retarded but also cant read? where did i say he is bad?

My unpopular opinion is as valid as your popular opinion!

yes it is BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING OPINION

and youre ratarded?

ok so one more time about seagull
bias is ok to some degree
you say that you think this guy is good, cool, but when people, like on this site start getting so fucking defensive when you say something even slightly negative about seagull then its wrong

its the same for everything,
you like your country better then others. its cool
you hate other countries. thats nationalism and not cool

you like your skin colour but dont have anything against other colours. perfectly good
you hate other skin colours. thats racism

and on this site its the 2nd thing happaning

you say seagull is great player but youre okay if someone thinks otherwise. nothing against it
you think seagull is great player and attack anyone who says otherwise. thats wrong and thats exactly what is going on on this site

princess is in another castle!

i moved this comment :/

sooo
either people love him or they are trolling? thats exactly what you said right there
huge fanbase=positive comments
people who see this huge fanbase=trolls

oh so people either love seagull or are trolling?
seems right

its not just this thread, you cant say anything negative about seagull on this site

this thread is perfect example of how biased this site is towards seagull
you cant say anything bad about our god and saver seagull because youll get downvoted to oblivion, not hating you cant state negative opinion and honestly its pathetic
everyone else its ok, your opinion but criticising seagull? OH NO

im gonna get downvoted so hard if i say it but screw this
overrated seagull
doesnt matter if he is good or not but he is overrated

underrated team: gamers origin
while rogue as regarded as top team go was alweys treated as tier 2-3 and in reality they were not that far away

yup, i wote it before ogn supercup, i also updated roster in my list og owl teams

and according to other info also xepher and munchkin so i preferred to only add starting roster from lh but ok ill add him

2/3 star, stars are divided by 3 on this site 0 star noob

I'll add that team for Seoul spot, as of today, looks like this :

• Gido
• tobi
• ryujehong
• Miro
• zunba
• EscA
• Fleta
• munchkin
• xepher
• Whoru

no it was me

thx, but i cant get internet points anymore for threads so no more posts from me ;)

wo i also realised now this bar on left hides replies

Third history/article/thing about owl teams and rosters, i decided to dedicate it to most achieved Korean roster - Lunatic-Hai
earlier parts:
EnVyUs: https://www.over.gg/5964/maybe-something-interesting-about-envyus#14
Misfits: https://www.over.gg/5987/misfits-unfulfilled-expectations#1

While currently Korean scene is one of the most covered one’s, when Overwatch’s esport was in its infancy there was hardly any interest in it from the western media . Because of this i would be unable to write about early history of one of the best teams in the world - Lunatic Hai if not for Frus who helped me find necessary information in Korean and whom i would like to thank a lot.

Lunatic Hai is a South Korean esports organization with a strong tradition in first person shooters, having teams in Counter Strike 1.6, Special Force, Special Force 2 and more. They entered Overwatch somewhat late, when teams like LWR, UW Artisan and AFB AFR were already well established.

For the roster consisting of tobi, Miro, dean, ryujehong, Leetaejun and EscA, thefirst tournament was the Afreeca TV BJ League in August of 2016. They were eventually signed by Lunatic-Hai later that same month. .The team made a name for themselves during Logitech G Championship, but it wasn’t until APAC 2016, in which they defeated likes of Afreeca Freecs Blue and NRG Esports to get to finals, , that they begun to be considered as Korea's best roster. But because they weren’t able to win any tournaments that year, they became known as the “uncrowned kings” of South korean Overwatch.

While APEX is the staple of overwatch’s esport, outside of it korean scene doesn’t have many tournaments and so Lunatic Hai after APAC has taken part in only 6 tournaments.

Next up for Lunatic-Hai was APEX Season 1 in the fall of 2016.. The team cruised through group stage, dropping only two maps and beating Team EnVyUs, one of the top Western teams present. But after a sudden change to the meta introduced buffs to D.Va, they were completely demolished in the quarterfinals by Kongdoo Uncia.

After their disappointing result, they hoped for redemption at the IEM Gyeonggi. Although they reached the finals in a convincing fashion, they couldn’t prevail to the trophy as they lost to LuxuryWatch Red in the finals.

With the new year ringing in and revamped roster after switching LEETAEJUN and dean for Whoru and zunba, Lunatic-Hai’s luck was about to turn around inAPEX Season 2. which might very well be one of the most storied tournaments in Overwatch. First great story is one of Meta Athena, team that no one expected much from but which came up with the most interesting and unusual strategies overwatch has seen and second being Runaway’s which nearly completed royal road but were denied trophy after one of the most memorable comebacks overwatch has ever witnessed.

Lunatic-Hai was placed in the round robin group stage in the nicknamed “Group of Death” , featuring LuxuryWatch Blue (who were previously known as LuxuryWatch Red), Afreeca Freecs Red, and Misfits.They advanced without problem, dropping only a single map in the process.

In the 2nd group stage, in where the top eight teams from the round robin competed in four team GSL groups, they unexpectedly finished 2nd losing to RunAway in an incredibly close 2-3 loss.

They were placed against Meta Athena, an unexpected Challenger team that came up with the most interesting and unusual strategies, in the semifinals. Despite their usage of elaborate strategies, they were unable to prevail, as Lunatic-Hai closed the series 3-2.

The grand finals began with RunAway taking Oasis and Hollywood, with the DPS duo of WhoRU and EscA looking underwhelming. Lunatic-Hai saw a little bit of resurgence on Volskaya which they took in convincing fashion butthe pink sweaters quickly replied by taking Route 66 and setting the score at 1-3. Nothing was going Lunatic-Hai’s way, and if they wanted to win, they needed to play perfectly from that point onward.

Luckily for Lunatic-Hai EscA and Whoru finally started to step up, On the 5th map they were able to quickly take both points and hold RunAway before 2nd on their defense. Dorado was more or less the same, with Lunatic Hai completing the map with a huge timebank and then not letting boys in pink shirts advance to 2nd point. With Runaway players looking tired and Lunatic Hai finally firing on all cylinders nothing could stop them as they took Eichenwald and finally lifted the trophy that eluded them for so long.

APEX season 3 developed similarly as Lunatic Hai placed at the top of their group but then lost to KongDoo Panthera in the 2nd group stage. Korea’s best completely demolished AF.Blue in semis and after one more 4:3 final this time against KongDoo Panthera lifted the trophy of OGN’s tournament once again.

With Lunatic Hai being considered the best team in the world and by far the most popular team in Korea it was no surprise that they were picked as the roster for Seoul spot and even after disappointing 5th-6th place finish in the latest APEX season they are still one of favourites for season 1 of Overwatch league.

Even though this is still kinda work in progress i decided to post it as it already took a lot of my time, snivy's time, who i'd like to thank a lot at this point.
I treat this threads a lot like practice of my writing skill and i appreciate great feedback from you snivy
And as i already said i also used frus's time at this point im not really sure how much its my thread and how much snivy's and frus's :P