i would even say mechanically western players are better, thats how you win in the west in korea its as you already said, teamplay

thats not really true europe has not that many more people than usa and canada
and by that logicchina should be best but its not how sports work
none of them

how could they prove it by wining season 0 when they were playing only against na?
thats a retarded argument coz there was no envy nor rogue
and dafran didnt kill selfless, he created it and without him selfless was nothing and where is he from? eu

agree they were close but just when they were about to prove it they both fell apart

you touched on good point whats a "good" team or so called "tier 1" team (but no need for all caps)

ok so this way
there was never an na team close to the level of top eu teams like rogue envyus misfits

"arguing" discussion =/= argument dont act childish
examples you gave have no eu teams so of course na is gona win
its a fact that there was no high tier tournament with good teams from eu and na that na won

this way:
there was never an na team close to the level of top eu teams like rogue envyus misfits

AMM no good eu team (again only lg)
Winter premiere no good eu team (AGAIN only lg)

mate again of course na team gona win tournament when there are no other teams
its like saying "but korean team won apex season 4"

ok ill be more specific gime some big (or not so coz i count amm) tournament with good na and korean/eu teams which na won

again of course na gona win if there are no other teams

winter premier np eu teams except for not really good one and only 1
contenders 0 again faze has half of its players na
i dont take owc into any discussion about teams is completly outside scene

but there needs to be eu team to play against and this lg was pretty bad and is only team with eu players (faze is half na)

gime some high tier tournament won by team made of na players

london=eu team with koreans

accept the truth in memes
na memes

and btw eu is top1 rght now gc busan eu hurray!

na is trash
never won against eu or korea

you said something different in #7

Yes, APAC premier 2016 and APEX 1 was NA victories, but I don't include that because 2016 Overwatch wasn't fully developed

and if you count envyus and rogue as na i count kdp and gc busan as eu as theyre london team
wheres logic?

overwatch was in its infancy in the beggining of 2016 but by the end and with tournaments like apex and apac it was developed

ekhm na victories? how in the world? there was not even a single na player
na havent achived anything in overwatch

2016 was fully developed as an esport its retarded to not count these tournaments, on what basis was it not developed?

owc is a really bad place to look to compare countries/regions
and the truth is apex is a really bad tournament to compare regions as well, wester players since season 2 hace a lot of problems with it which koreans dont have

• very long season
• living in hotel
• far from home

all this results in a very bad mental and phisical health whoch you could see by for example taimou tweets who during season 3 was considering even quiting competitive playing

and when you look at big international lans its 3:2 between koreans and europens (well eu coz na is shit nokappa)
APAC Premier 2016 rogue
APEX Season 1 envyus
Intel Extreme Masters Season XI Gyeonggi lw red (it wasnt that big only 6 teams and no envy but im still putting it in)
APEX Season 2 lunatic hai
APEX Season 3 lunatic hai

conclusion yes koreans are overrated and as someone who came from cs go it annoys me even more when i hear "koreans so good at esport no one else has chance in any game" no they are not cs go? no rocket league? no and there are many more games they are totally irrelevant

why do these teams need so many coaches?

taimou crazy apex 3 widow its not 1 clip but kinda
edit: something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yCm1NsV9w&t=31s&ab_channel=OverwatchFuel

thx

i try to bring quality content with my threads
lately i dont post much but i should have one more thread/history by the end of week

all my 5 accounts?

lw blue to new york
gc busan was bought by c9 and alongside kdp (c9dp) will be london
runaway not in

so im nearly 2 cool?

aaaaa :D you see what i did there?

fuck that was good im proud of myself

lately its really quite (well las few months coz of blizzard killing most of the tournaments) coz of lack of tournaments but soon theres owc so we should see more posts again

as youre new i could list few things you could look at over.gg if you want

you should look at tournaments in 2016 and 2017 and that in 2017 overwatch esport nearly hasnt grown

in 2017 blizzard hasnt done anything positive for overwatch esport but has done few bad things (killing a lot of tournaments for example) im not gona talk about the future

people dpnt say they are not pushing esport, people say they are pushing it in the wrong way

faze for shanghai

when your best player is coach
and they cant even get his name right

20 milion $ for spot what a joke

but it means work for me :/ and everything is in rankings>overwatch league
ill think about it

no longer updating this thread, youll finde all the rosters and names in rankings>overwatch league

k i officially kill my thread, no point no when over.gg keeps track of owl (https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams)
still shanghai draogons better name but logo is pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXa0u9dKAZg&feature=youtu.be

added seoul dynasty name

so why decline kruis after signing seagull?

could be and i was also thinking about him but considering kruis wasnt signed coz they signed seagull and shadder is also genji main its unlikely

k

shhhhh close enaugh
xD this team is a meme
Jack Kaplan

this is a joke 20 milion for spot and they cant get name right

https://twitter.com/JKaplan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor switching from caster to coach in owl

oh comone poi? these teams will need to play against likes of envy lunatic hai kdp
they have no chance unless it turns out this group of players has some incradible synergy

either huk is genius or this roster is utter shit contenders season 2 teams will be better

kuroi delete

also added names i didnt have (names that are only rumours also added but not in capital)

yup
i posted even earlier on discord though ;)
you can delete it

I added boston name and roster

gona do
i also need to add names

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHpXIXo3QDk

they made few of these already