Yes, I admit i contradicted myself. Checked the dates on the tournament, got it wrong. Whoops

When Overwatch Open happened it was almost completely developed, when APAC and APEX happened it was developed, yes

Well said

Ok yes, They were EU players, but right now, Rouge and ENVY are European competing in NA. (In contenders at least, also RIP rouge) Overwatch was still in its infancy in 2016. I know that there were actual tournaments, and yes I do see those. But it's not as relevant to my point and is not as relevant in general. I mean, Cloud 9 was good back then

I used OWC to set an example of korean dominance, I understand that's not the best example, but I put it in to mention and denouce it. Apex is the main Korean tournament that most people watch in the best showcase of korean Overwatch. Yes, APAC premier 2016 and APEX 1 was NA victories, but I don't include that because 2016 Overwatch wasn't fully developed in terms of esports, at least until Overwatch Open. Since then it has been all Korea. But in weird scenarios yes.

I apologize if my argument is hard to follow, just kind of rambled into an essay, sorry

And yes, I have watched APEX before, They are very good, I'm not denying that at all. But I have not seen standouts like Taimou in APEX (except for the actual Taimou)

Every time I see a thread about a team picking up a Korean team. I instantly see someone say that Korea is better automatically.

Yes, South Korea is a very good team, the best in the world. But let's not talk about 2016 OWC because the game wasn't out for very long and it was just getting into the esports scene. Now as we enter the next year a lot has changed- 3 new heroes, 3 new maps and tons of balance changes. Everybody seems to know the game a lot better than they did back in 2016.

In APEX season #2, EnVyUs finished 5th, while some other NA team finished 9-12. But the meta was shifting by then, triple/Quad tank was dying and a new meta was beginning to form. This, of course, marked the end of the first EnVy reign. In APEX season #3, Rouge was at its peak but the Dive meta was again, beginning to die and other teams could simply play Dive better than Rouge, who fell off the map and finished 9th, EnVy finished 4th. NA teams Can do well in Korea.

Now because of OWL things have changed, These 12 teams are basically all-star teams, with Dallas signing some of the best players from around the world to bolster their already dominant lineup, LA Valiant signed SoOn, Unkoe, Numlocked, Space, and Silkthread to bolster their already very good lineup. And SFS had quietly built up an incredible DPS roster. There used to only be 2-3 really good players per team before OWL, now all those great players will be combined on one team. Korean teams shouldn't be as dominant against these teams.

In Korea, there are about 12 relevant teams, in China there about 6 (haven't watched much Asian esports), Taiwan I believe there is two, One in Australia and Oceania, NA there is 10(ish) and EU there is 4. While Korea is a small country, it still has a ridiculous esports following and has so many players, but these are all spread out among 12 teams, approximately 72 great players. Adding all Non-Korean teams together- you have 20 teams and 120 players. My point here is, players in Korea are not as spread out as other regions.

In conclusion, South Korea is the best Esports Country in the world, yes. BUT, A team of Koreans does not necessarily mean that they should beat a very good NA team.

Kreygasm

DF
DAFRAN????????? PogChamp
MiniK

That logo...

No we don't

Agilities Genji=win

you ruined it

Wales LUL

Well now... That was interesting

Korea not just GC Busan in 2017 LUL

The dafran clip
You know the one

I remember Onigod....
FeelsSadMan

HONEY WE KNOW THE NAMES

I like remiska, he brings balance to a great community

You're a third cool

WE GOT FUN AND GAMES

I don't think i suck that much

Over.gg is a fantastic resource. I check this site daily and am always met with great headlines, discussions, puns, and an overall great community. The quality of the site is astounding. This is my short little way of saying "thank you" to everyone in this great community

<3

Because I'm rooting for LAV

Seoul hopes new roster creates a Dynasty in OWL

This will be interesting, to say the least. This team will be fun to watch.

REMATCH POGCHAMP

Wow, that lineup is stacked

GC Busan 5-0
Too strong

Wow, very happy for all of them. It's been so long since Jake has been in a tournament, Overwatch league is going to be fun to watch

BibleThump

PS4...

Way too late my friend

Why the tiger logo?

They have no starpower...

Not a catchy enough title apparently

Not confirmed rosters

It also mentions Silkthread. So currently LA Valient is
GrimReality
Agilities
SoOn
Silkthread
Kariv
FaTe
Spree
Envy
Numlocked
Verbo
Unkoee

They still have room for one more player

People do that with soccer all the time, and I watch the Olympics even when my team isn't represented. Why is this every difference

It is custom to stand, but there is an event going on where some NFL players are kneeling to the anthem to protest police brutality against black citizens in the United States.
Look up the TakeAKnee protests for more information

I love the logo, the name, and the colors. Brilliant work Kraft

Says Hater

YES WE ARE BACK.
Also that's a great name, It's also historical!

So is the team name going to be the London Yankees or...
(Yes I get how historically this isn’t right but this is a sports reference because the New York Yankees are so dominant )

EZ Flash Wolves 4-0 GC Busan overrated
Kappa

maybe.

for more elaborate posts, read above

Why does everyone hate Owls? They are so cute, how can anyone hate them? MiniK

Why had this thread been revived

Hey that was mine!