Let’s say it was just easy for Rogue to dominate in the Western scene due to lack of competition, whereas in Korea competition is much higher, the field is much more stacked and balanced, that a domination like Rogue had wouldn’t be possible.

Let’s say NV would go to South America and completely their scene, of course it’s dominating, but with no real competitor, it’s easy for them.

That’s basically what Rogue did, coming to America and owning US teams.

It’s like a fight between an adult and a child, of course the adult dominates.

Situation in the US:
Rogue = Patriots,
Everybody else = Cleveland Browns,
Selfless = Falcons (if you take the last Superbowl)

I think dominating is consistently winning against teams, which are kind of the same caliber, not just owning the Browns.

Imagine if Rogue hadn’t gone to the US, then Selfless would have won most of what Rogue won and everybody would have said ‘Selfless is dominating’. What I want to say is that the US scene was just weak.

Then you could also say, if NV had been practicing more against Rogue and hadn’t been in Korea so long, Rogue wouldn’t have won so much. If your only true competitor isn’t there, and you win against Selfless all the time, ....

Imagine Rogue being a Lion, dominating Africa, they can be killed by hyenas, but this rarely happens (Rogue rarely loses), but if they battle a Siberian Tiger or a Polar Bear (SK), things look different, they don’t dominate, they lose most of the time. Selfless would be a Leopard here, NV a Jaguar (slightly stronger than Leopard and a true competitor to Lion, if they actually met in a 1v1). I know that jaguars aren’t from Africa, but Envy didn’t really compete in many American tournaments, so I think it fits quite well.

Scrims don’t matter, if you can’t win the actual game.

I don’t say they sucked, but dominating way worse teams isn’t really ‘true dominating’ (in my opinion) (of course it can be considered dominating, but just at a certain scene (western)). To me true domination is consistently beating the best teams in the world.

EDIT:
I think dominating is consistently winning against teams, which are kind of the same caliber.

Just look at Bayern Munich for example, they dominate the Bundesliga, but there are also other teams like Borussia Dortmund or RedBull Leipzig (Selfless and NV), where it’s close, but right now Bayern sucks in the Champions League, where they don’t dominate, because there are teams like Madrid, Barca, PSG, Spurs, ManU, ... (Lunatic Hai, KDP, AF Blue, Runaway, ...). One could say that Serie A is EU scene.

Rogue (french Rouge) wasn’t that dominant how everybody sais they were.Yeah they crushed all the way worse teams in the West, apart from Selfless, which series were always extremely close and fun to watch. Additionally they only played Envy once or twice as far as I can remember. At Rumble in April it was ‘close’ on paper, back when Internethulk was still on the team, even though Rouge was clearly better. I don’t remember the second time, if there even was one. They won TakeOver 2 convincingly plus some small online tournaments like Monthly Melee, PIT, and Rumble, but apart from that, they didn’t really ‘achieve’ anything, they got immediately crushed in the group stage of APEX, yes they had a hard group with the two finalists and could have developed in the playoffs, but I don’t think so! Envy’s fourth place in APEX S3 is way more valuable than anything Rouge achieved. (I don’t and never did hate Rogue :D)

off topic:
Remember when, at the start of Contenders Season 1, ‘everybody’ said Immortals is the new challenger for No1 rank in the West and than got completely crushed,

I don’t think this will happen again, they look like a good team on paper.

I prefer the Shanghai and Boston logo over this one, but it’s definetely one of the best yet. New York or LA Valiant could learn much from them :D (LAV’s logo is fine in its core, but it’s too simple, no outlines, just one colour, boring, NY’s just sucks). Seoul’s, Dallas’s and SF’s logos are all good enough, though I’d say Seoul’s by far the best of these three. But obviously logos aren’t everything, as long as the games are competitive, it’s all fine.

The skin seems fine to me, happy it’s not another blue one :D

Logix really does suck, I don’t understand the hype.

Ok, thanks for the quick responses

Hello there, I just wanted to ask, whether there are any updates on OWL regarding these 4 teams, as far as I know LW Blue has been linked with the second LA spot, C9KD with London.

But what about the APEX S4 and also APAC Premier 2017 finalists, GC Busan and Runaway, will their teams be split and some of their players added to C9, or will they be picked up by New York or Philadelphia? Please let me know what yout think, thanks in advance.

Picking up a complete team like Runaway with a reasonably large fanbase wouldn’t be a bad call to make, GC Busan has been looking dominant for the last month or so but haven’t really shown that they can remain at the top of the food chain, just think about Meta Athena ...

Isn’t Dafran like 25 or so, by the age of 25 one can earn way more money than in OWL, LOL, but of course if you’re talking about the guys that are around age 18-20 the money isn’t that little, though one could of course make much more money in ‘real’ sports.

Additionally it’s much more important in life to be happy and doing something which one likes than doing something one doesn’t like and being unhappy. Obviously if one doesn’t like serving at McDonald’s but get’s like 1,000,00,000$ a year for it, he can do it for a year and live a happy life after that, but ~100,000$ a year is just too little.