Yeah, but it's still fun to speculate :)
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What about making a league for the pre-season? It seems like the one Pixelfish created is for the regular season, so I created another one for the pre-season.
https://highnoonpickem.com/#/ViewLeague/gbUI0soUI3a8TTk53baY
I tried joining as Explodey just so you know. When I was making an account for over.gg, I thought username was more like an id to log in, which is why I am stuck with cjh0822 here. But I prefer using Explodey. Allow me to join if there is space! :D
I'm not sure. Element Mystic looked really strong in Challengers second group stage and in the show match against South Korea. I think it would be either one of the two taking the trophy.
The limitation of not being able to recruit anyone from RunAway makes this much harder. If it wasn't for that, I would've probably chosen the core members from RunAway and filled the team with remaining stars in KR scene.
Since this is to make a realistic team taking into account of team synergy, I would probably pick key members from Miraculous Youngster and LGD as starters.
DPS:
YangX1aoLg
Leave
Tank:
guxue
LateYoung
Support:
Creed
Shy
Subs:
aKm
ArHaN
FCTFCTN
Void
Fuze
Undine
Explaining the starters first. I think the main weakness of MY is the main tank, so replacing Jiquiren with guxue would strengthen the team quite a bit. Also, I think Shy is the best flex support in Chinese scene (zhufanjun is almost as good, but I think Shy is slightly better at Zenyatta and Sombra).
As explained above, I chose the starters not based on pure individual talents, but chose them considering the team synergy. So clearly, there are better individual talents available. So I think picking this top individuals filling in some of the weaknesses of the starters would be a great way to wrap up the roster.
aKm is one of the best, if not the best, hit-scan available. As long as he can play well with the team, he would be a great addition to any team. Also, he has shown his skills on Pharah as well, which neither of the two DPS in the starting line-up clearly displayed.
Another weakness of the starter is that although leave plays Genji from time to time, his Genji is not comparable to the top Genjis in OWL. So including ArHaN would complement this team quite well.
FCTFCTN is probably the best option left for main tank. KnoxXx is also a viable option, but I think FCTFCTN's Rein is better.
I think Void is the best D.Va outside the OWL. Void's D.Va and LateYoung's Zarya is probably as good as, if not better than, top flex tanks in OWL.
Fuze is amazing on Lucio and is also decent on Mercy. Wakawaka is another option, but I think I would choose Fuze over him because I think Fuze would have better synergy with Undine as they have played together.
Undine is very good on Zenyatta and Ana, and he is one of the best on Mercy. Greyy and Roolf are also viable options, but I would choose Undine over them due to better synergy with Fuze.
http://bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=12918042
Rosters for all of the participating teams.
It seems like ArHan joined Meta Athena? Am I the only one who missed this news? He should be a great addition for Meta Athena to fill in for Libero. Excited to see how these new teams will look!
To answer my own question, it seems like it will start on 11/30! And it will end on 12/17.
Sources:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Nexus_Cup/2017/Annual_Finals
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7f6sqp/china_nexus_cup_2017_annual_finals_participants/
Let's see whether new Lunatic Hai can continue to live up to their reputation of surviving through the groups of death! I think it will be really hard this time as I think EM and MY are two of the top three teams in this tourney.
just based on known factor Group A looks much stronger
You meant group D, right? If so, I agree with you.
I would say rebuilt Kongdoo and Lunatic Hai seems to be about at similar level based on the name values.
Element Mystic is as strong as RunAway imo based on their recent performances.
LGD lost half of its starters. Moreover, their recent form has been poor even before the players' departure. Lost twice in a row against MT1 in recent matches.
MY is undoubtedly the strongest Chinese team atm.
So
Group A vs. Group D
RunAway ~= Element Mystic
Kongdoo ~= Lunatic Hai
LGD ~< MT1
LGE <<< MY
Any info on when this tourney is going to happen? That seems like decent list of teams!
This is why I think Blizzard should implement a clan system. It would help to find reliable people to play with. Also, you would need to play cooperatively to remain in a clan with good reputation.
Possibly. But it would be really nice if they ran tournaments with tier-2 tournament teams in their region, like Seoul Dynasty with top APEX teams, Shanghai Dragons with top OWPS teams, etc.
Now, we all know how OWL is outlined, but it seems like there is no clear info on how the overall OW scene (including tier 2 and 3) will be structured. Solid tier 2 scene is essential to provide constant influx of new star players. I am sure Blizzard is aware of this and is working hard to develop outstanding league structure for tier 2 scene as well (as they said news on contenders is coming very soon), so this post might not really mean anything.
But I feel like one role communities like this can serve is to provide ideas for the developers. So below are some of my thoughts on how the overall OW scene should look like. Whether this post will have any meaning or not, I am just trying whatever I can to help OW to be successful as eSports since it is the first eSport I began following.
Premiere Events:
Overwatch League and Overwatch World Cup
Major Events:
APEX, Contenders (NA and EU), OWPS, OPC, Event Tournament (with teams from OWL, APEX, Contenders, OWPS, OPC)
Minor Events:
APEX Challenger and Open Division
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IVFfsF3Hw_QvZFxIPkkjY-htmU9IB_Kh
The image link above contains how I think these events should be scheduled. I only included events for KR, NA, and EU since those are the ones I am most familiar with.
Overwatch League:
Only thing I changed from the official schedule is additional 2 weeks between stage two and three for mid-season signing. I think this break in the middle would allow the teams to analyze their performance in the first half of the season, and also help the new members to adapt.
Overwatch World Cup:
I think OWWC is a great tournament to attract casual fans, and I think Blizzard should continue to run it. Qualifier during late-September to mid-October, followed by playoff during Blizzcon.
Event Tournament:
As we are experiencing now, mid-November to December seems to be void of events. So this period seems appropriate to run an event tournament featuring teams from OWL and various tier-2 scenes. I think tournaments like this will promote interest to tier-2 scenes as well by showing how competitive the teams from those tournaments are.
Tier-2 Scene:
I really hope Contenders, APEX, and APEX Challengers (and OPC & OWPS) can remain to be strong because I strongly believe those are essential. To make the schedule, I had to come up with some kind of tournament structures, and detailed info on those rules are in this link(https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SV4lmiF5Dm26KExgZ6oZTl7B5e_IKad2). But it will probably be difficult to understand, so I will briefly explain key things below.
APEX:
For both APEX and APEX challengers to remain to be functional, I think reduction in size is necessary, possibly to 10 teams. With that size, league format is certainly doable. Matches can be held from Sunday to Tuesday to avoid conflict with the OWL. Starting slightly after OWL would avoid APEX stealing the hype of the new season from OWL. Also, having semi-final and grand final during OWL off-seasons between different stages would allow fans who normally only watched OWL to turn their eyes to APEX during that off-season. I think each team having one match per week would allow enough time to analyze the opponents and come up with good counter strategy.
Contenders:
For Contenders NA/EU, since it is the only tier-2 tournament in the West, I think number of teams can be increased to 10. Overall structure similar to APEX as explained above.
APEX Challengers:
APEX challengers has been the league that helped amateur teams to develop into top-level pro teams (Meta Athena in Season 2, X6 in Season 3, GC Busan in Season 4, possibly Element Mystic in next season). This was possible as the league has relatively tight schedule. For the league at this level, primary purpose should be to develop pro-level players rather than to display top level performance. So I think having two matches per week would be better for Challengers.
Open Division:
This should serve as the initial stage for Contenders (and APEX Challengers) qualifier. When there are so many teams competing, it is difficult to do anything other than single elimination. However, single elimination always has a possibility of one of top level teams being eliminated early by facing top team in early stage. To help with this issue, it would be better to run this single elimination tournament multiple times throughout a year.
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Yes, that was one LONG post, and I doubt many people read it all the way.
One purpose I hope this can serve is to share everyone's thought on how tier-2 scene like contenders should be structured and what kinds of tournaments should exist (like the event tournament I mentioned in the post, or how OWWC should be modified). Blizzard once mentioned each OWL teams would be allowed to run 5 tournaments. How should those be used? Post your thoughts please.
According to the website, all star weekend is 3 days long (Aug 10-12, Fri-Sun), and this makes me believe that it will be more than just one match.
I can imagine all kinds of goofy things they can do like Lucio sprint, Winston jumping contest to moving targets, Soldier Frogger (successfully crossing roads with obstacles like the cars in the Oasis map), Junkrat cornhole, etc. They can also utilize some of the arcade modes (death match, mystery duel, lockout elimination, mystery heroes, total mayhem, etc.) and the event modes (Lucio ball, Junkenstein's revenge, Mei's snowball offensive, Capture the rooster, Overwatch uprising). But I think most people will only care about the ones that has meaningful relevance to real in-game skills. After all, the hype of the all star weekend should be about who really are the best players (on each hero or role) in the league.
I think they should utilize some of the arcade modes, so this event can promote more people to enjoy the arcade modes, but utilize it in a way that has meaningful relevance to real in-game skills. And maybe have one real game with all star teams each day as a main event.
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For example,
Friday, August 10th: Challenge the Champion
Saturady, August 11th: Battle to rise as the top individual
Sunday, August 12th: Battle of the Division All Stars
I don't know how good sowhat, DoHyeon, and YARG are, but rest of the roster looks solid! I hope APEX can continue to be as great as they have been.
Well, now they have Neko if you are worried about Snow. Neko was one of the best Anas in Korea in APEX season 4.
Excluded due to age: Flow3r, Haksal, Whoru
Excluded due to retirement: dafran
These are some of best available talents imo
DPS:
Tank:
Flex-Tank:
Suppot:
Flex-Heal:
For better team synergy, I would try to make three separate teams based on region:
EU/NA
DPS:
Tank:
Flex Tank:
Support:
Flex Support:
Korea
DPS:
Tank:
Flex Tank:
Support:
Flex Support:
China
DPS:
Tank:
Flex Tank:
Support:
Flex Support:
I have posted my prediction on other thread before, but I made adjustments based on added players and OWWC performance.
Seoul Dynasty
Addition of Munchkin, Fleta, and Wekeed should supplement the weakness of the team. Also, the Mercy nerf and the Ana buff should help ryujehong to come back to his prime form.
London Spitfire
I am not sure how they are going to combine two very strong squads. I think the main strength of GC Busan came from the team synergy, and I am worried that the mix of squads will affect the team harmony. In the end, I think this team will only be slightly stronger than GC Busan (as I think Birdring and Rascal are stronger than Hooreg for most heroes). But who knows, maybe great coaching staffs will help the players to bring greater synergies together, in which case, I think they will take the top place.
Dallas Fuel
They have great players and great team synergy, but I think their tanks are a little behind the top two. Unless Taimou enters one of those periods that he gets tired of the game again, I think Dallas should be strong enough to take the third place.
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-Top 6~8 closely contested between Houston, Philadelphia, and LA Valiant
Houston Outlaws
I think they have solid players all around. Although I think Muma is decent, I was never impressed with him to the degree that many people seem to be praising him at. Maybe he will prove me wrong and take the team to the higher spot.
Philadelphia Fusion
Very decent roster from the name value, but I am concerned about the flexibility of the DPS. ShaDowBurn only showed his supremacy on Genji and Snillo only on Tracer. Yes, Carpe can play multiple heroes to somewhat compensate, but his form seems somewhat inconsistent. Also, tanks are decent, but could be better.
-Top 9~12 closely contested between Boston, SF, Shanghai, and LA Gladiators
Boston Uprising
I don’t really agree with Harsha’s comment about the Boston team being very weak. Their DPS may be a bit lacking, but their tanks and supports are pretty good. Maybe he was talking about the team before Kalios was added? (as it seems like his addition was later than other players). Addition of Neko should also help the team greatly as his Ana is outstanding.
San Francisco Shock
This is the team I am least sure about. I don’t really know how good iddqd, nomy, Super, sleepy, and Danteh are. So this is just my rough guess of where I think they would end up. I think LA Valiant could easily take their spot unless they truly live up to the hype.
Shanghai Dragons
This squad has decent talents all around, but I don’t think they are stronger than MY. If the whole MY roster was joining OWL, I would’ve predicted them to be around fifth~sixth strongest in the league, but this roster will still be competitive enough to challenge other teams in the league.
And the world is much bigger than America, since OWL is a global league (although most of the teams are based in US). I guess having the division system now at least tells us which direction they are headed. I guess trying to implement this system in later seasons might have stronger resistance from the fans, so they are building the ground for what they want to implement in the seasons to come.
Playing twice against the teams of their own division and once against the others kinda makes sense for me actually. That way, travel distance would be decreased while still maintaining a sense of all teams being in one league. We will see how they build up on this system.
I feel like four stage system actually suits Overwatch pretty well. As metas rise and fall, we have seen different teams rise and fall as well. Since the length of one season of the league is pretty long, we will most likely see this happen within one season of OWL. This four stage system will make sure the team that was reigning king during a certain meta will get at least some reward, while the one who managed to stay on top throughout the season will be rewarded with a playoff spot since that is determined based on overall map score of all stages.
I am not saying having divisions is bad. I just don't see why.
For the second point though, I don't like how it could give unfair advantage to some teams.
I certainly do like 4 stage system too! Overall, I really like what they are doing. I just found these two things a bit odd.
1. No apparent reason for divisions
Why are they dividing teams into two divisions? Did they mention the reason anywhere? Because I really don't see the point of this. I did talk about the possibility of Blizzard having two or more divisions for the league about two months ago in one thread (https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams/?page=2#60), but my reasoning was to decrease the distance to travel for each team by not having to play against the teams of different regional division until playoffs. But they are not even doing that, so I don't really see what purpose this is serving. Are they planning to do that for later seasons when teams will actually have to travel around?
2. One less match against random(?) four teams
Also, five matches against the teams in same division and five matches against the teams of the other division for each stage "seems" fair, but if you think about it, this is really weird too. You have six teams in each division, so teams will have five teams to compete against in the division they are part of, but they have six teams to compete against in the division they are not part of. In the end, each team will compete with everyone except one team in different division in each stage. This might not seem like much, but this could end up giving slight advantage in the overall map score to the teams that played less games against the top teams.
For example, if you check the schedule, you can see Seoul Dynasty will not play against Philadelphia for stage 1, Boston for stage 2, Florida for stage 3, and Houston for stage 4. This means Seoul will play against these teams three times during regular season, and four times against all other teams.
So if there is a team that is playing one less match against top 4 teams, they will have advantage over a team who is playing one less match against bottom 4 teams. I don't know if this will make a huge difference, but I don't see why they can't just add one more match in each stage, so every team will compete against each other same number of matches.
I don't know why they're using white color for player names for both teams. I know it has outline with the team color, but when the team color is light, it is so hard to distinguish them. Using solid team color with white outline (and white with team color outline for the away team) for the player names would greatly improve the clarity.
I think UK vs. SWE and SK vs. USA are the two big matches that will most likely determine who gets to go to the grand final.
I hope SK can pick up their slacks and show great performance again!
Really?? That's really unfortunate. I am pretty sure they are as good as one of the better players in OWL teams.
I think Fischer and Architect are in for Boston, and maybe Mirage in for LA Gladiators? Mirage said that he has been picked up by an OWL team awhile ago, but I don't see him on any of the rosters yet. Also, maybe Recry and Donghyun on one of the teams? Because I don't see why they would've left Afreeca Freecs unless they had offers from better teams.
For Florida, I am not sure, but I hope to see players like Greyy, ChrisTFer, aKm, Davin, and Tonic.
I really hope Greyy gets picked up too! He is one of the best flex heals imo.
My guess is Fischer and Architect for Boston (I saw a thread about OWL rumors in OW Inven awhile ago, and it has been 100% correct so far). If this is true, Architect is a pretty good projectile, so I guess that should make you halfway happy?
I have included my reasoning on other thread:
https://www.over.gg/6415/owl-preseason-predictions
These are some of the info I am missing obviously. But is ShaDowBurn really god on Pharah? I have seen his Pharah, but I wasn't really impressed at all. Hopefully I will have better idea on how things will go after the pre-season!
Very well could be overrating them since I have been watching those games more closely. We will find out soon! :)
Yeah, but I feel like Doomfist is falling out of meta, and Mei is only useful in certain situations. Snillo's soldier, as far as I have seen, was only decent. But still, this is just one prediction, I would be happy to find out that the players are much better than what I have expected.
I only started actively watching Overwatch around April, 2017 (towards the end of APEX season 2, TaKeOver 2, and so on), so I lack information about most of the players who have not played at pro level after April. Because of this, my assessment of the teams with many of these recently inactive players (like SF Shock and Boston) might be inaccurate. Hopefully, I will be able to make more sound assessment after the preseason.
-Top 2 closely contested between Seoul and London
Seoul Dynasty
Addition of Muchkin, Fleta, and Wekeed should supplement the weakness of the team. Also, the Mercy nerf and the Ana buff should help ryujehong to come back to his prime form.
-Top 3~4 closely contested between Dallas and New York
Dallas Fuel
My concern with EFFECT was that he seemed to only play Tracer, but it seems like he is getting better with other heroes as well. Unless Taimou enters one of those periods that he gets tired of the game again, I think this team should be strong enough to take the third place.
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-Top 6~7 closely contested between Houston and Philadelphia
Houston Outlaws
I think they have solid players all around. Although I think Muma is decent, I was never impressed with him to the degree that many people seem to be praising him at. Maybe he will prove me wrong and take the team to the higher spot.
-Top 8~9 closely contested between SF Shock and LA Valiant
San Francisco Shock
This is the team I am least sure about. I don’t really know how good iddqd, nomy, Super, sleepy, and Danteh are. So this is just my rough guess of where I think they would end up. I think LA Valiant could easily take their spot unless they truly live up to the hype.
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Boston Uprising
I don’t really agree with Harsha’s comment about the Boston team being very weak. I think they will be almost as good as SF Shock and LA Valiant. This is assuming Snow is on par with supports of the other OWL teams since I do not know how good he is. Maybe he was talking about the team before Kalios was added? (as it seems like his addition was later than other players)
Shanghai Dragons
This squad has decent talents all around, but I don’t think they are stronger than MY. If the whole MY roster was joining OWL, I would’ve predicted them to be around fifth~sixth strongest in the league, but this roster will still be competitive enough to challenge other teams in the league.
Now that the rosters for the OWL teams are mostly confirmed, I think it’s about appropriate time to make predictions on team standings for the preseason.
To help the ones who haven’t been following the roster announcements, I have included the rosters for the OWL teams.
Seoul Dynasty
London Spitfire
Dallas Fuel
New York Excelsior
Florida Mayhem
Houston Outlaws
Philadelphia Fusion
San Francisco Shock
Los Angeles Valiant
Boston Uprising
Shanghai Dragons
Los Angeles Gladiators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnqFw2ovmM&feature=youtu.be
Roster is revealed!
Maybe he'll serve a coaching role as it says Esca still is and will be part of KSV?
Wow, Blizzard is actually putting in a lot of effort into esport aspect of the game! This is great to know. I am excited to see how these features will look live.
I agree with HipiMan444 in that it's the difference in the top teams that makes the difference between KR and NA/EU.
As it is becoming more and more apparent, team coordination/focusing is so important in this game, and I think that's where the main difference comes from. For example, GC Busan is not successful because they have stellar individuals. I think there are plenty of NA and EU players as good as the players in GC Busan (although Profit is truly something else). GC Busan has really good team coordination. They know whom to focus right away, and all of the players dive altogether so well. This is probably why KR domination strengthened during the dive meta.
If this is the case, we might see the gap closing down overtime as teams will learn to focus well once they have good supporting staff to train them, and get to practice well with the teammates for a long time.
However, it might just be a cultural thing. Western culture tends to focus on individual performance, whereas Eastern culture tends to focus on cohesion within a team. That might be why Asian teams are thriving in games requiring good team coordination, like LoL and Overwatch, and Western teams are thriving in games where stellar individuals can make a huge difference, like most FPS games. If that is the case, Asian teams, especially KR teams, might continue to dominate as seen in LoL.
If he can play as well as he did in the spring season that is. Towards the end of the summer season, his performance dropped off noticeably. I hope he can come back to his prime form and make this team competitive.
Is Xushu good? I don't remember seeing him much on 1246. What does he normally play?
No LateYoung? No YangX1aoLg? No Creed? This roaster really does not look any stronger than the previous roster. I guess leave would be better than uNdeAD as he has been underwhelming, but that's about it.
Anyways, Afreeca looking strong again! Jin seems to be much better tank than Brek, which I think was the main problem of the team.
Yeah, this match just solidified my thought that the groups are so not balanced. All four teams on group A are better than everyone on group B except Afreeca.
Was Zonda this good before?? He seems to have improved a lot. If these two games are not just FW playing above their normal level, they might be able to challenge Ardeont in the next season!
Obviously A LOT of very talented players are missing from this list, and it doesn't seem like there are that many spots left.
If these rumors are true,
Where is
It seems like a lot of talented players from EU region are missing. Maybe OWL teams focused on players from NA region first since they wanted players with larger fan base in NA?
Seriously, I don't see anyone from Gigantti, 123, C9 EU, Singularity, or Gamers Origin. I can see Gigantii sticking with the current team and trying to enter next season as they already have a main sponsor, but I don't know what is happening with the other teams. Also, for the NA side, I don't think I see anyone from FaZe (except for the speculation about Carpe), which is odd.
I feel like a team made from these missing players would be stronger than most of the OWL teams.
He left the team after season 3 due to health issues. I heard he was offered a coaching position, but I don't think he is coaching any team currently.
Miraculous Youngster + a few Chinese stars would be really nice. Maybe guxue for stronger main tank and Jason for better Genji?
I would say GC Busan probably since RunAway without Haksal (due to age restriction) just would not be the same. But it might be easier to negotiate with RunAway since I know Runner has been actively looking for an OWL sponsor, whereas GC Busan already has good financial support. GC Busan might just wait for the next season and try to get in with another Korean city spot (like Busan).
This post is a collection of official and unofficial rumors about the OWL rosters, so it could be completely wrong. But I find it interesting to think about potential rosters for the OWL teams, so I figured I would start this thread here as well.
To look at confirmed rosters only, check remiska's thread (https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams).
Boston - Not official
New York Excelsior - Not official - Signed LW Blue's whole roster
London Spitfires - Signed KongDoo Panthera's whole roster. Cloud9's franchise.
Los Angeles - Immortal's franchise- Not all confirmed
Los Angeles Gladiators - Not Official
Miami Mayhem - Not official - Misfits Roster
San Francisco Shock - NRG's franchise
Dallas Fuel - EnVyUs' franchise
Houston - Not official - OpTic's franchise
Philadelphia - Unknown
Shanghai Dragons - Unknown
Seoul Dynasty - Signed Lunatic Hai's whole roster - Unconfirmed
Other
Sources:
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20954529/sources-immortals-sign-unkoe-soon-numlocked-la-overwatch-franchise
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/763cnx/overwatch_league_and_confirmed_teams_so_far/
http://www.inven.co.kr/mobile/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=4538&my=chu&p=1&l=3353113
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/76zwjp/all_owl_team_names_official_and_rumored/